Hey murderers…

BBC NEWS | Health | Scans uncover secrets of the womb

To all of you who think it’s A O K to slaughter a kid in utero, just bear in mind, they “walk” around the womb at 12 weeks.

It isn’t a pile of cells, it’s a human being, and if you can live with murdering it, that’s on your head.

Just stop pretending it’s some God-given right you have and you’re doing nothing wrong.

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  • http://turningwheels.blogspot.com nathalie

    you know, I’d have much less of an issue if people would call it what it is, and stop acting like it’s no big deal and all about women’s rights. my idea of women’s rights is keeping your freakin’ legs closed in the first place, or having the cojones to say NO. the same people that condone, accept and excuse abortion are the same ones that think that teaching abstinence to kids is (pick whichever applies): ridiculous, stupid, Christian fundamentalist… I can go on and on. teaching the benefits abstinence is WRONG, but teaching about abortion and condom use is enlightened. holy shit, I won’t want anybody speaking to my kids about values.

  • Daisyhead

    First off, there’s no way a 12 week old fetus can walk. It is physically impossible which is why most babies don’t walk until around 1 YEAR of age. Not 12 weeks. It MAY look like they’re walking because of the position they happen to be in, but it’s a bunch of crap.

    And second of all, I just love it when men spout off about women’s rights issues. It’s not an excuse or a cop out to say that a woman has a right to choose. It is just that, a right. Just like we as US citizens have a right to free press, free speech and a right to bear arms. I’d love to see what kind of a decision other’s would make if they were in a situation that they know nothing about. It’s this kind of small minded thinking that causes this country to continue stripping us of our rights.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    Call it what you want, justify it however you want.

    But don’t hand me some bullshit about how it’s a female issue.

    You don’t have a right to kill a child, contrary to the warped and twisted definition of the word “right” that has been used to justify it for years.

    I love the small minded thinking that says abortion cannot be discussed by men because a woman conceives.

    Give me an everloving break.

    And Daisyhead, I’d love to see your PHD that qualifies you to say experts are full of crap.

    Really.

    Photocopies are fine. Email it to me and I’ll happily post it.

  • http://heterophobic.org/journal girl

    I have a tough time believing in some of the findings, expert or not, but I still disagree pretty passionately about late-term/partial birth abortions. I just think they’re really gross and waiting that long is just plain stupid. however, I’m still pro-choice b/c I prefer not to tell people what they can and cannot do to their bodies. but on that note, I wouldn’t have one unless I were raped, perhaps. (though normally if you’re raped and go to the hospital right away, a D&C will take care of any possibility of being pregnant.) anyway, hi, I’m girl, and I go off on tangents in people’s comments.

  • http://members.cox.net/truth-seeker/ Chet

    By Daisyhead’s logic, male doctors don’t know shit and can’t treat a woman for ailments or injury unique to females.

    Please.

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com RKB

    Just curious: how are we to handle miscarriages? Most people don’t want to share the good news that they’re pregnant until after the first trimester — usually, if there is going to be a miscarriage, it’ll happen within the first twelve weeks. We’ve known several family and friends who have had miscarriages. Should those be considered deaths? When talking about their family, should they mention not only their two healthy children, but the ones they’d lost?

    It seems worth drawing into the abortion discussion the point at which most people consider it perfectly normal — though still unfortunate — to have a miscarriage.

  • Kricket

    I have been pregnant 7 times. I have three living children. My son died at birth being born at 6 months gestation. I have had three miscarriages. Those were deaths. Those babies were mourned and are remembered every year on the anniversary of the loss.

    I think it’s funny when I hear about people spouting off about their ‘rights to their bodies’ and such. What about the baby’s right to his/her body? yet that’s not important to some, is it. Daisygirl, my third child smiled within two hours after she was born – and that was the first time we noticed it. And the smiles didn’t stop there. Also newborns are born with the walking reflex. I have tested this on all three of my daughters. When they were just days old we would hold them up and they would do a walking motion. Their legs are quite strong at birth… the only thing keeping these babies from actually walking on their own is balance.

    oh… and keep in mind for those who are so completely hung up on their rights. And this is NOT a threat to any one… I do have the right to kill someone as it is my body and I can do with it as I want, right? However the government has the right to punish me.

  • http://www.insingificantthoughts.com Vinny

    It seems worth drawing into the abortion discussion the point at which most people consider it perfectly normal ñ though still unfortunate ñ to have a miscarriage.

    I’m not sure I get you here. In order to draw miscarriage into the discussion on abortion, the circumstances would have to be similar.

    Miscarriage is a biological mechanism for the body rejecting a developing fetus. Miscarriage is not, however, voluntary.

    I don’t know of any “miscarriage clinics” or Planned Parenthood advocating miscarriage as a birth control or family planning measure.

    As to the first part of your statement, I do think most parents who have dealt with a miscarriage do talk about it, and some even refer to the miscarried child by name (my friend’s wife actually had a nervous breakdown and went catatonic because she had a name for the baby they lost; she’s still getting treatment for depression), so if your point is that parents don’t always mourn the loss of a miscarried child the way they do something like a SIDS case, I think you’re seriously mistaken as my friend, and Kricket in the statement above, will attest to.

  • http://http:/www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    Kricket’s response answers my point: do you view a miscarriage as the loss of a life, or as the loss of a potential life. The friends and family that have had miscarriages have been saddened by the loss, but they have mourned for the potential life that didn’t come to fruition, not for the loss of a child.

    Miscarriages within the first twelve weeks of conception are far more common than deaths within the first twelve weeks of birth.

    The discussion point was more academic than anything, because both yours and Kricket’s responses are consistent: at 12 weeks, whether through miscarriage or abortion, the result is still the loss of a life.

  • http://www.insingificantthoughts.com Vinny

    Yep.

    I think so… I’d even go out on a limb enough to say that I’d bet most parents see it that way…

    Would make for an interesting psychological study, I reckon.

  • http://turningwheels.blogspot.com nathalie

    kricket’s testimonial alone oughta open a few eyes– but it doesn’t support daisyhead’s weak “men can’t speak” argument. why does a woman’s right to choose always seem to be relevant only at the abortion clinic with the pro-abortion folks?

  • Kricket

    Just curious and maybe something to think about… if it wasn’t a loss of life, why do some (and I’m not claiming all) abortion clinics offer grief counseling to those women that do “abort” (although I prefer the word kill) their babies?

    In my opinion, what it comes down to has nothing to with the rights of a woman to do what she wants with her body. In the majority of cases it comes down to what is convenient for the adults involved. There are states that have not only legalized abortion, but also laws that convict any one of killing a baby in womb in the case that the mother intends to carry the baby to birth. That baby’s rights are protected in those cases… in most cases, except when it’s mother’s ‘rights’ are imposed upon. Then the baby is an inconvenience and a ‘choice’.

  • http://cowgirl-down.com cowgirl

    When I was sixteen years old, I read an article in our local newspaper of an seven year old child that was raped by a local teenager. That little girl gave birth to her own child 9 months later.

    I don’t agree with the casual attitude given to abortion by alot of people, and I don’t believe it should be used as a common form of birthcontrol. do I believe it should remain legal? hell, yeah, I do. I see no sense and no reason in forcing a 7 year old baby to have a baby.

  • http://www.insingificantthoughts.com Vinny

    I would hazard a guess that most people who aren’t way out to the right on the issue would probably agree that in cases of rape/molestation/incest, abortion is acceptable.

    As much as I loathe it as a concept, I can accept it under those circumstances.

    HOWEVER

    You could keep it legal for those cases and make it illegal for others. That to me, in the long run, is a non-issue.

  • http://jimnshelle.net/main michelle

    they offer grief counseling because it is a difficult decision. sometimes the conditions that you oh so graciously condone aren’t the only ones that are acceptable. i am pro-choice. there are more lives to be saved than just those of a fetus who is not at that point able to sustain life.
    close your legs? very mature. sometimes very responsible people, who follow all the “rules,” use condoms correctly, etc, still can become pregnant.
    if the man wants to be involved in the decision making – great. but it isn’t his body, his health, his wellbeing at risk. he can walk away at any time.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    Obviously, Ms. Michelle has not read a bloody thing.

    Ms. Michelle is yet another who thinks it’s a woman’s right and a woman’s choice, and men should have no say in the matter.

    Ms. Michelle also thinks that men making a choice to have sex means sex must happen.

    Yet another person who thinks a woman bears all the responsibility after sex, but none beforehand.

    Typical New Jersey liberal.

  • http://turningwheels.blogspot.com nathalie

    what’s not “mature” about abstinence, Michelle?

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    Why Nathalie, don’t you know?

    It’s much more mature to just fuck your brains out irresponsibly!

  • Kricket

    basically Michelle is saying that because the fetus (how wonderful to give a baby a name that would make it less human) can not sustain it’s own life it’s life is not as important as hers…. is that right? In that case, it just reinforces my feelings that abortion is in the end a selfish decision based on convenience.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    Think of it this way Kricket… Michelle never has to worry about grandparents or elderly relatives.

    If they have to be hooked up to a respirator or assistive device, she’ll just put a bullet in their head because, hey, they can’t live on their own.

  • Kricket

    Ok, thanks for the clarification. It is how I figured but I wanted to make sure I wasn’t reading too much in to it. As it turns out, there wasn’t anything to read in to.

  • http://jimnshelle.net/main michelle

    you can twist people’s words however you want. there is obviously no changing people’s minds on this. and btw, fetus is not a term that dehumanizes anything. it is the correct term at that stage of development. but then again you would rather hide behind faux morals and judgmental attitudes. let me know when this has personally affected your lives.

    and thanks for bringing up completely unrelated topics like grandparents, etc. very intelligent argument.

    the fact is that it is legal. you don’t agree. fine.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    Faux morals?

    I believe wholeheartedly what I believe. Just like you believe it’s AOK to kill a baby in utero. I happen to think you have to have a screw loose to have no problems with walking into a clinic and killing your unborn baby.

    If that sits well with you, then fine. You have to live with your “morals,” not me.

    And I’m damn grateful I’m not you.

    Or your grandparents, for that matter.

  • Kricket

    You know nothing about my life and how this issue has affected. You know nothing about the choices I have had to make when I was pregnant due to my health. I had a hysterectomy last year at the age of 29 because being pregnant is very unsafe for me. But as I have said, I have been pregnant 7 times and never ever regardless of my health did the choice of killing my child or letting it live have to be thought about. Faux morals? I would rather be weighed down in life with faux morals than kill defenseless children in the name of ‘choice’ and ‘rights’. Just because something is the law does not make it moral or justified. Judgemental? Yes, I am judgemental. So if you want to come up with something more insulting towards me, do better than that. In the meantime, like Vinnie, I am glad I am not a relative of yours unable to sustain my own life without assistance.

    Sorry, Vinnie… not trying to get pissy in your comments here. Usually, I just read and keep my mouth shut. *shrug*

  • http://turningwheels.blogspot.com nathalie

    kricket- fact is that none of us know anything about the other, so you really shouldn’t even explain yourself. there’s no such thing as “qualification” when speaking of human issues. these issues affect ALL of us.

    I have no kids, never have been pregnant, and for some reason I am personally very much againt abortion. *I* think it’s morally bankrupt, but apparently some think that we have faux morals for believing that. just because I haven’t had to face that decision does NOT make me any less qualified to speak to the issue. it was my own values and moral compass that prevented unwanted pregnancy for me– I’ve had sex with one person in my life, my husband.

    one thing that kills me here in this thread is the conclusion that we who are against abortion “hide behind faux morals”. again, I find it ludicrous that the “pro-choice” folks treat with derision the idea of preaching the benefits of abstinence (e.g. no broken condoms or other failed contraception leading to…), and think the only way to prevent unwanted pregnancy is by “education” about condoms (take your banana and roll the condom from the tip towards the center. very good! now go have safe sex, kiddies!!!)

    people get abortions all the time. they have to live with it, not me. just get off this highhorse attitude that those of us against it are somehow morally bankrupt.

  • http://heterophobic.org/journal girl

    not all of us “pro-choice” folks feel the same way, Nathalie. just the ones with their heads lodged permanently up their asses. I’m all for teaching abstinence. but I’m also for teaching safe sex b/c no matter how much you drill abstinence into the brains of today’s youth, there is a large percentage of them that are still going to do what they want to do and I’d rather they be doing it safely, you know? you’d be very surprised how many mistakes can be made with condom usage. one of the biggest is people thinking they’re hot shit when they rip it open with their teeth. that one right there is the LEADING cause of condom breakage. I could list more, but I think you get the idea. not everyone is smart enough to follow the step by step instructions on the box’s insert.

  • Mouse

    :cry: It really makes me want to cry when I read all of your hate and judgment. I have three children and one on the way, and I spend most of my time with things I can change the fact is that if you spend all of your time and energy being angry, you will be just that angry. I do not agree with abortion I think that the babies should have a family who loves them. there are plenty of people who want to adopt. But the fact is that we have no control over what people do. abortion was illigal and plenty of women died having them done with coat hangers in alleys.
    they have the death of that child to live with til they die. screaming about it won’t make it go away. but on that note why is it ok to kill an inocent animal for your enjoyment. veal is a calf held at the legs then slaughterd without ever having lived a life. the fact is that we as human are born with a mind of our own and no one person is going to change that. so instead of being pissed about the angels who did not make it here god bless them because that is all we can do. lets help the children who weren’t aborted and were abused, born with AIDS, crack adicted, and abandon left to die. we have so many angels here who need us put that energy to use and help them. and remember the ones who don’t make it. cuz no matter what you do people will do what they want. Thanx for reading.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    You know how you stop abortion?

    Don’t fuck.

    See how easy that is?

    If you can’t afford kids, don’t fuck.

  • http://turningwheels.blogspot.com/ nathalie

    you know, I’d have much less of an issue if people would call it what it is, and stop acting like it’s no big deal and all about women’s rights. my idea of women’s rights is keeping your freakin’ legs closed in the first place, or having the cojones to say NO. the same people that condone, accept and excuse abortion are the same ones that think that teaching abstinence to kids is (pick whichever applies): ridiculous, stupid, Christian fundamentalist… I can go on and on. teaching the benefits abstinence is WRONG, but teaching about abortion and condom use is enlightened. holy shit, I won’t want anybody speaking to my kids about values.

  • Daisyhead

    First off, there’s no way a 12 week old fetus can walk. It is physically impossible which is why most babies don’t walk until around 1 YEAR of age. Not 12 weeks. It MAY look like they’re walking because of the position they happen to be in, but it’s a bunch of crap.

    And second of all, I just love it when men spout off about women’s rights issues. It’s not an excuse or a cop out to say that a woman has a right to choose. It is just that, a right. Just like we as US citizens have a right to free press, free speech and a right to bear arms. I’d love to see what kind of a decision other’s would make if they were in a situation that they know nothing about. It’s this kind of small minded thinking that causes this country to continue stripping us of our rights.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    Call it what you want, justify it however you want.

    But don’t hand me some bullshit about how it’s a female issue.

    You don’t have a right to kill a child, contrary to the warped and twisted definition of the word “right” that has been used to justify it for years.

    I love the small minded thinking that says abortion cannot be discussed by men because a woman conceives.

    Give me an everloving break.

    And Daisyhead, I’d love to see your PHD that qualifies you to say experts are full of crap.

    Really.

    Photocopies are fine. Email it to me and I’ll happily post it.

  • http://heterophobic.org/journal girl

    I have a tough time believing in some of the findings, expert or not, but I still disagree pretty passionately about late-term/partial birth abortions. I just think they’re really gross and waiting that long is just plain stupid. however, I’m still pro-choice b/c I prefer not to tell people what they can and cannot do to their bodies. but on that note, I wouldn’t have one unless I were raped, perhaps. (though normally if you’re raped and go to the hospital right away, a D&C; will take care of any possibility of being pregnant.) anyway, hi, I’m girl, and I go off on tangents in people’s comments.

  • http://members.cox.net/truth-seeker/ Chet

    By Daisyhead’s logic, male doctors don’t know shit and can’t treat a woman for ailments or injury unique to females.

    Please.

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    Just curious: how are we to handle miscarriages? Most people don’t want to share the good news that they’re pregnant until after the first trimester — usually, if there is going to be a miscarriage, it’ll happen within the first twelve weeks. We’ve known several family and friends who have had miscarriages. Should those be considered deaths? When talking about their family, should they mention not only their two healthy children, but the ones they’d lost?

    It seems worth drawing into the abortion discussion the point at which most people consider it perfectly normal — though still unfortunate — to have a miscarriage.

  • Kricket

    I have been pregnant 7 times. I have three living children. My son died at birth being born at 6 months gestation. I have had three miscarriages. Those were deaths. Those babies were mourned and are remembered every year on the anniversary of the loss.

    I think it’s funny when I hear about people spouting off about their ‘rights to their bodies’ and such. What about the baby’s right to his/her body? yet that’s not important to some, is it. Daisygirl, my third child smiled within two hours after she was born – and that was the first time we noticed it. And the smiles didn’t stop there. Also newborns are born with the walking reflex. I have tested this on all three of my daughters. When they were just days old we would hold them up and they would do a walking motion. Their legs are quite strong at birth… the only thing keeping these babies from actually walking on their own is balance.

    oh… and keep in mind for those who are so completely hung up on their rights. And this is NOT a threat to any one… I do have the right to kill someone as it is my body and I can do with it as I want, right? However the government has the right to punish me.

  • http://www.insingificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    It seems worth drawing into the abortion discussion the point at which most people consider it perfectly normal ñ though still unfortunate ñ to have a miscarriage.

    I’m not sure I get you here. In order to draw miscarriage into the discussion on abortion, the circumstances would have to be similar.

    Miscarriage is a biological mechanism for the body rejecting a developing fetus. Miscarriage is not, however, voluntary.

    I don’t know of any “miscarriage clinics” or Planned Parenthood advocating miscarriage as a birth control or family planning measure.

    As to the first part of your statement, I do think most parents who have dealt with a miscarriage do talk about it, and some even refer to the miscarried child by name (my friend’s wife actually had a nervous breakdown and went catatonic because she had a name for the baby they lost; she’s still getting treatment for depression), so if your point is that parents don’t always mourn the loss of a miscarried child the way they do something like a SIDS case, I think you’re seriously mistaken as my friend, and Kricket in the statement above, will attest to.

  • RKB

    Kricket’s response answers my point: do you view a miscarriage as the loss of a life, or as the loss of a potential life. The friends and family that have had miscarriages have been saddened by the loss, but they have mourned for the potential life that didn’t come to fruition, not for the loss of a child.

    Miscarriages within the first twelve weeks of conception are far more common than deaths within the first twelve weeks of birth.

    The discussion point was more academic than anything, because both yours and Kricket’s responses are consistent: at 12 weeks, whether through miscarriage or abortion, the result is still the loss of a life.

  • http://www.insingificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    Yep.

    I think so… I’d even go out on a limb enough to say that I’d bet most parents see it that way…

    Would make for an interesting psychological study, I reckon.

  • http://turningwheels.blogspot.com/ nathalie

    kricket’s testimonial alone oughta open a few eyes– but it doesn’t support daisyhead’s weak “men can’t speak” argument. why does a woman’s right to choose always seem to be relevant only at the abortion clinic with the pro-abortion folks?

  • Kricket

    Just curious and maybe something to think about… if it wasn’t a loss of life, why do some (and I’m not claiming all) abortion clinics offer grief counseling to those women that do “abort” (although I prefer the word kill) their babies?

    In my opinion, what it comes down to has nothing to with the rights of a woman to do what she wants with her body. In the majority of cases it comes down to what is convenient for the adults involved. There are states that have not only legalized abortion, but also laws that convict any one of killing a baby in womb in the case that the mother intends to carry the baby to birth. That baby’s rights are protected in those cases… in most cases, except when it’s mother’s ‘rights’ are imposed upon. Then the baby is an inconvenience and a ‘choice’.

  • http://cowgirl-down.com/ cowgirl

    When I was sixteen years old, I read an article in our local newspaper of an seven year old child that was raped by a local teenager. That little girl gave birth to her own child 9 months later.

    I don’t agree with the casual attitude given to abortion by alot of people, and I don’t believe it should be used as a common form of birthcontrol. do I believe it should remain legal? hell, yeah, I do. I see no sense and no reason in forcing a 7 year old baby to have a baby.

  • http://www.insingificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    I would hazard a guess that most people who aren’t way out to the right on the issue would probably agree that in cases of rape/molestation/incest, abortion is acceptable.

    As much as I loathe it as a concept, I can accept it under those circumstances.

    HOWEVER

    You could keep it legal for those cases and make it illegal for others. That to me, in the long run, is a non-issue.

  • http://jimnshelle.net/main michelle

    they offer grief counseling because it is a difficult decision. sometimes the conditions that you oh so graciously condone aren’t the only ones that are acceptable. i am pro-choice. there are more lives to be saved than just those of a fetus who is not at that point able to sustain life.
    close your legs? very mature. sometimes very responsible people, who follow all the “rules,” use condoms correctly, etc, still can become pregnant.
    if the man wants to be involved in the decision making – great. but it isn’t his body, his health, his wellbeing at risk. he can walk away at any time.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    Obviously, Ms. Michelle has not read a bloody thing.

    Ms. Michelle is yet another who thinks it’s a woman’s right and a woman’s choice, and men should have no say in the matter.

    Ms. Michelle also thinks that men making a choice to have sex means sex must happen.

    Yet another person who thinks a woman bears all the responsibility after sex, but none beforehand.

    Typical New Jersey liberal.

  • http://turningwheels.blogspot.com/ nathalie

    what’s not “mature” about abstinence, Michelle?

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    Why Nathalie, don’t you know?

    It’s much more mature to just fuck your brains out irresponsibly!

  • Kricket

    basically Michelle is saying that because the fetus (how wonderful to give a baby a name that would make it less human) can not sustain it’s own life it’s life is not as important as hers…. is that right? In that case, it just reinforces my feelings that abortion is in the end a selfish decision based on convenience.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    Think of it this way Kricket… Michelle never has to worry about grandparents or elderly relatives.

    If they have to be hooked up to a respirator or assistive device, she’ll just put a bullet in their head because, hey, they can’t live on their own.

  • Kricket

    Ok, thanks for the clarification. It is how I figured but I wanted to make sure I wasn’t reading too much in to it. As it turns out, there wasn’t anything to read in to.

  • http://jimnshelle.net/main michelle

    you can twist people’s words however you want. there is obviously no changing people’s minds on this. and btw, fetus is not a term that dehumanizes anything. it is the correct term at that stage of development. but then again you would rather hide behind faux morals and judgmental attitudes. let me know when this has personally affected your lives.

    and thanks for bringing up completely unrelated topics like grandparents, etc. very intelligent argument.

    the fact is that it is legal. you don’t agree. fine.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    Faux morals?

    I believe wholeheartedly what I believe. Just like you believe it’s AOK to kill a baby in utero. I happen to think you have to have a screw loose to have no problems with walking into a clinic and killing your unborn baby.

    If that sits well with you, then fine. You have to live with your “morals,” not me.

    And I’m damn grateful I’m not you.

    Or your grandparents, for that matter.

  • Kricket

    You know nothing about my life and how this issue has affected. You know nothing about the choices I have had to make when I was pregnant due to my health. I had a hysterectomy last year at the age of 29 because being pregnant is very unsafe for me. But as I have said, I have been pregnant 7 times and never ever regardless of my health did the choice of killing my child or letting it live have to be thought about. Faux morals? I would rather be weighed down in life with faux morals than kill defenseless children in the name of ‘choice’ and ‘rights’. Just because something is the law does not make it moral or justified. Judgemental? Yes, I am judgemental. So if you want to come up with something more insulting towards me, do better than that. In the meantime, like Vinnie, I am glad I am not a relative of yours unable to sustain my own life without assistance.

    Sorry, Vinnie… not trying to get pissy in your comments here. Usually, I just read and keep my mouth shut. *shrug*

  • http://turningwheels.blogspot.com/ nathalie

    kricket- fact is that none of us know anything about the other, so you really shouldn’t even explain yourself. there’s no such thing as “qualification” when speaking of human issues. these issues affect ALL of us.

    I have no kids, never have been pregnant, and for some reason I am personally very much againt abortion. *I* think it’s morally bankrupt, but apparently some think that we have faux morals for believing that. just because I haven’t had to face that decision does NOT make me any less qualified to speak to the issue. it was my own values and moral compass that prevented unwanted pregnancy for me– I’ve had sex with one person in my life, my husband.

    one thing that kills me here in this thread is the conclusion that we who are against abortion “hide behind faux morals”. again, I find it ludicrous that the “pro-choice” folks treat with derision the idea of preaching the benefits of abstinence (e.g. no broken condoms or other failed contraception leading to…), and think the only way to prevent unwanted pregnancy is by “education” about condoms (take your banana and roll the condom from the tip towards the center. very good! now go have safe sex, kiddies!!!)

    people get abortions all the time. they have to live with it, not me. just get off this highhorse attitude that those of us against it are somehow morally bankrupt.

  • http://heterophobic.org/journal girl

    not all of us “pro-choice” folks feel the same way, Nathalie. just the ones with their heads lodged permanently up their asses. I’m all for teaching abstinence. but I’m also for teaching safe sex b/c no matter how much you drill abstinence into the brains of today’s youth, there is a large percentage of them that are still going to do what they want to do and I’d rather they be doing it safely, you know? you’d be very surprised how many mistakes can be made with condom usage. one of the biggest is people thinking they’re hot shit when they rip it open with their teeth. that one right there is the LEADING cause of condom breakage. I could list more, but I think you get the idea. not everyone is smart enough to follow the step by step instructions on the box’s insert.

  • Mouse

    :cry: It really makes me want to cry when I read all of your hate and judgment. I have three children and one on the way, and I spend most of my time with things I can change the fact is that if you spend all of your time and energy being angry, you will be just that angry. I do not agree with abortion I think that the babies should have a family who loves them. there are plenty of people who want to adopt. But the fact is that we have no control over what people do. abortion was illigal and plenty of women died having them done with coat hangers in alleys.
    they have the death of that child to live with til they die. screaming about it won’t make it go away. but on that note why is it ok to kill an inocent animal for your enjoyment. veal is a calf held at the legs then slaughterd without ever having lived a life. the fact is that we as human are born with a mind of our own and no one person is going to change that. so instead of being pissed about the angels who did not make it here god bless them because that is all we can do. lets help the children who weren’t aborted and were abused, born with AIDS, crack adicted, and abandon left to die. we have so many angels here who need us put that energy to use and help them. and remember the ones who don’t make it. cuz no matter what you do people will do what they want. Thanx for reading.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    You know how you stop abortion?

    Don’t fuck.

    See how easy that is?

    If you can’t afford kids, don’t fuck.