Monica Gabrielle and Osama bin Laden: Separated at Birth

Monica Gabrielle on Hardball, March 2004:

Well, I find it ironic that President Bush would choose 9/11 to demonstrate leadership when in fact on 9/11, he was sitting in a classroom reading stories to school children and then spent the day traveling around the country in an airplane.

Osama bin Laden, Today:

Before Bush and his administration would pay attention and we never thought that the high commander of the US armies would leave 50 thousand of his citizens in both towers to face the horrors by themselves when they most needed him because it seemed to distract his attention from listening to the girl telling him about her goat butting was more important than paying attention to airplanes butting the towers which gave us three times the time to execute the operation thank god.

Monica, you must be so proud! You and Osama agree!

Any of these widows from New Jersey should probably take note of this. The enemy is listening, and you’re providing propaganda for them.

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  • Kricket

    Every one makes it out to seem like Bush sat down to read to the school children after knowing for sure we were being attacked. Fact is, not all of us knew that – most of thought the first plane impact was a tragic accident. Likely the President thought so as well. Once every one realized the full scope of what was going on, action was taken… And he wasn’t jetting around the country on vacation. He was being moved to be safeguarded from assassination. That is pretty much protocol regardless of who the President is. To imply he was in his airplane traveling the country like a Sunday Sightseer is just ignorant and deluded. What was he supposed to do, stand out in the middle of DC and say “here I am”? I have such a hard time trying to understand the ‘logic’ of those that continue to chastise our President for his actions on that fateful day.

  • http://http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    If the president were to go out right now and walk on water, people would fault him for polluting the ocean.

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    Kricket,

    Whether you agree with his actions or not, it was while he was sitting down to read that he was informed of the SECOND plane hitting. Everyone at the highest levels of government — especially those who had read the Daily Briefing less than a month before about “Bin Laden Determined to Strike” would most likely have known EXACTLY what was happening.

    It might have been a good idea, then, to have moved him somewhere else, like you said, to safeguard against an attempt on his life.

    Ultimately, to Vinny’s last point (“the enemy is listening…”) I have an extremely difficult time with the idea that any time anybody criticizes the President, they are scolded for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Don’t like Bush? Want to say something bad about the administration? “Well, then, sounds like you and Osama agree about a lot of things.”

    Remember, these fuckers attacked us indiscriminately, without regard for race, sex, age, or political affiliation. I disagree with Bush about any number of things, just as others might disagree with Kerry, but I know that both men care deeply about their country. I also know that regardless of who is in office, terrorist organizations will continue to search for weak links, and will continue to bring harm to our people.

    That said, any American should be able to disagree with any of their elected officials — even those that hold the highest office — without the implication that they are marching side-by-side with mass murderers.

  • http://http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    RKB, we’re not getting into this same tired bullshit about that PDB, are we?

    I read it. I didn’t see anything in it that was actionable.

    I did see that there were seventy ongoing FBI investigations at that point.

    What’s your point in bringing it up again?

    As for people agreeing, well, you’d have to admit that Bin Laden using the same terms Michael Moore used, and talking about Florida and stealing elections…

    Well, you be the judge.

    See, it’s the difference between criticism and irresponsible rabble rousing. Sure it’s a fine line, but considering how many Michael Moore propaganda points Bin Laden used, I’d have to say that yes, the enemy is listening.

    When you call the President a liar and a crook, the enemy is listening.

    When you say “wrong war wrong place wrong time,” the enemy is listening.

    When you say “war for oil,” the enemy is listening.

    And if everyone is so damned worried about Bush creating “recruits” with his actions, maybe it’s time someone shoved a brick in Moore’s mouth so he can stop creating propaganda for bin Laden with his actions.

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    That’s fine. I suppose we’ll have to see if the same standard is held with President Kerry, and the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity and Coulter and legions of others have far worse things to say.

    My guess is that those who are enraged at Moore (how DARE he say such things) will cheer emphatically (damn STRAIGHT, Brother Rush!) when Limbaugh throttles the entire Kerry family for several hours each day, 365 days a year, for the next four years.

    (And my point about the PDB was for Kricket: I agree that you or I or any number of peoples would have had no idea that even a second plane represented a terrorist attack. The president, however, based on that and multiple other briefings, would have known precisely what was happening. Wasn’t that there was actionable intelligence or not — I also agree with you that there wasn’t — but, simply, after Andy Card whispered into his hear, he knew that our country was under attack.)

  • http://http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    Far worse than Moore? Surely you gest.

    Hell, for eight years all we heard about was how horrible Limbaugh was to Clinton, and he has come nowhere near the idiocy that has come out of the mouth of Moore, Franken, Hollywood blah blah blah.

    And according to the 9/11 report, not only did people not fully understand what was going on, the threat hadn’t even been fully assessed until after the plane hit the Pentagon.

    After Andy Card “whispered into his ear,” he waited seven minutes, finished what he was doing and left the room where a command center was being put together (in other words had he gone running out of the room hair on fire, he would’ve been in an empty room when he got where he was going.)

    As for knowing our country was under attack, and criticizing his seven minutes, I’ve yet to see anyone criticize Kerry on his 45 minutes of sitting around realizing how “nobody could think.”

    In 7 minutes, the President was in a mobile command center, and in two hours there was a full groundstop of all flights, which means while Senator Kerry of the Intelligence Committee was sitting around realizing nobody could think, crisis assessment and management was already underway.

    But hey, whatever standards you wanna use is all up to you.

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    Sorry, Vinny, but I’m not actually criticizing Bush here, or questioning what he did or didn’t do. Everything I’ve written has been in direct response to what Kricket wrote:

    Every one makes it out to seem like Bush sat down to read to the school children after knowing for sure we were being attacked. Fact is, not all of us knew that – most of thought the first plane impact was a tragic accident. Likely the President thought so as well.

    I disagree.

    And my “far worse than Moore” is future tense. Trust me, if Kerry is elected, the amount of vitrol spewed by those three will be unparalleled. But even if it’s tame by comparison, will anybody on the right call them terrorist sympathizers for criticizing the president? Will anybody write books about how they’re commiting treason? Will anybody ask them who they love to kiss up to more, bin Laden or Hussein?

    Won’t. Hold. My. Breath.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    What alternate reality are you living in right now?

    Have you been to a bookstore lately?

  • politics as usual

    I found your blog and comment following a story. Why would you associate someone who lost their partner on 9/11 in one of the towers with bin Laden? You’re villifying her just as you maintain certain others do with Bush.

    As for this – “In 7 minutes, the President was in a mobile command center, and in two hours there was a full groundstop of all flights…” It was not the president who ordered all flights grounded. It was the FAA.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    Just demonstrating the fact that they used the same rhetoric, which unless you didn’t read it, is pretty obvious. I’m not villifying her, but I’m tired of the media canonizing her. She’s a partisan with an agenda, not some innocent impartial grieving widow.

    And your point about the FAA, even if I’m wrong, proves one thing: The President didn’t have to streak from the room and take control over every aspect of the situation.

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  • Kricket

    Every one makes it out to seem like Bush sat down to read to the school children after knowing for sure we were being attacked. Fact is, not all of us knew that – most of thought the first plane impact was a tragic accident. Likely the President thought so as well. Once every one realized the full scope of what was going on, action was taken… And he wasn’t jetting around the country on vacation. He was being moved to be safeguarded from assassination. That is pretty much protocol regardless of who the President is. To imply he was in his airplane traveling the country like a Sunday Sightseer is just ignorant and deluded. What was he supposed to do, stand out in the middle of DC and say “here I am”? I have such a hard time trying to understand the ‘logic’ of those that continue to chastise our President for his actions on that fateful day.

  • Vinny

    If the president were to go out right now and walk on water, people would fault him for polluting the ocean.

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    Kricket,

    Whether you agree with his actions or not, it was while he was sitting down to read that he was informed of the SECOND plane hitting. Everyone at the highest levels of government — especially those who had read the Daily Briefing less than a month before about “Bin Laden Determined to Strike” would most likely have known EXACTLY what was happening.

    It might have been a good idea, then, to have moved him somewhere else, like you said, to safeguard against an attempt on his life.

    Ultimately, to Vinny’s last point (“the enemy is listening…”) I have an extremely difficult time with the idea that any time anybody criticizes the President, they are scolded for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Don’t like Bush? Want to say something bad about the administration? “Well, then, sounds like you and Osama agree about a lot of things.”

    Remember, these fuckers attacked us indiscriminately, without regard for race, sex, age, or political affiliation. I disagree with Bush about any number of things, just as others might disagree with Kerry, but I know that both men care deeply about their country. I also know that regardless of who is in office, terrorist organizations will continue to search for weak links, and will continue to bring harm to our people.

    That said, any American should be able to disagree with any of their elected officials — even those that hold the highest office — without the implication that they are marching side-by-side with mass murderers.

  • Vinny

    RKB, we’re not getting into this same tired bullshit about that PDB, are we?

    I read it. I didn’t see anything in it that was actionable.

    I did see that there were seventy ongoing FBI investigations at that point.

    What’s your point in bringing it up again?

    As for people agreeing, well, you’d have to admit that Bin Laden using the same terms Michael Moore used, and talking about Florida and stealing elections…

    Well, you be the judge.

    See, it’s the difference between criticism and irresponsible rabble rousing. Sure it’s a fine line, but considering how many Michael Moore propaganda points Bin Laden used, I’d have to say that yes, the enemy is listening.

    When you call the President a liar and a crook, the enemy is listening.

    When you say “wrong war wrong place wrong time,” the enemy is listening.

    When you say “war for oil,” the enemy is listening.

    And if everyone is so damned worried about Bush creating “recruits” with his actions, maybe it’s time someone shoved a brick in Moore’s mouth so he can stop creating propaganda for bin Laden with his actions.

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    That’s fine. I suppose we’ll have to see if the same standard is held with President Kerry, and the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity and Coulter and legions of others have far worse things to say.

    My guess is that those who are enraged at Moore (how DARE he say such things) will cheer emphatically (damn STRAIGHT, Brother Rush!) when Limbaugh throttles the entire Kerry family for several hours each day, 365 days a year, for the next four years.

    (And my point about the PDB was for Kricket: I agree that you or I or any number of peoples would have had no idea that even a second plane represented a terrorist attack. The president, however, based on that and multiple other briefings, would have known precisely what was happening. Wasn’t that there was actionable intelligence or not — I also agree with you that there wasn’t — but, simply, after Andy Card whispered into his hear, he knew that our country was under attack.)

  • Vinny

    Far worse than Moore? Surely you gest.

    Hell, for eight years all we heard about was how horrible Limbaugh was to Clinton, and he has come nowhere near the idiocy that has come out of the mouth of Moore, Franken, Hollywood blah blah blah.

    And according to the 9/11 report, not only did people not fully understand what was going on, the threat hadn’t even been fully assessed until after the plane hit the Pentagon.

    After Andy Card “whispered into his ear,” he waited seven minutes, finished what he was doing and left the room where a command center was being put together (in other words had he gone running out of the room hair on fire, he would’ve been in an empty room when he got where he was going.)

    As for knowing our country was under attack, and criticizing his seven minutes, I’ve yet to see anyone criticize Kerry on his 45 minutes of sitting around realizing how “nobody could think.”

    In 7 minutes, the President was in a mobile command center, and in two hours there was a full groundstop of all flights, which means while Senator Kerry of the Intelligence Committee was sitting around realizing nobody could think, crisis assessment and management was already underway.

    But hey, whatever standards you wanna use is all up to you.

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    Sorry, Vinny, but I’m not actually criticizing Bush here, or questioning what he did or didn’t do. Everything I’ve written has been in direct response to what Kricket wrote:

    Every one makes it out to seem like Bush sat down to read to the school children after knowing for sure we were being attacked. Fact is, not all of us knew that – most of thought the first plane impact was a tragic accident. Likely the President thought so as well.

    I disagree.

    And my “far worse than Moore” is future tense. Trust me, if Kerry is elected, the amount of vitrol spewed by those three will be unparalleled. But even if it’s tame by comparison, will anybody on the right call them terrorist sympathizers for criticizing the president? Will anybody write books about how they’re commiting treason? Will anybody ask them who they love to kiss up to more, bin Laden or Hussein?

    Won’t. Hold. My. Breath.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    What alternate reality are you living in right now?

    Have you been to a bookstore lately?

  • politics as usual

    I found your blog and comment following a story. Why would you associate someone who lost their partner on 9/11 in one of the towers with bin Laden? You’re villifying her just as you maintain certain others do with Bush.

    As for this – “In 7 minutes, the President was in a mobile command center, and in two hours there was a full groundstop of all flights…” It was not the president who ordered all flights grounded. It was the FAA.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    Just demonstrating the fact that they used the same rhetoric, which unless you didn’t read it, is pretty obvious. I’m not villifying her, but I’m tired of the media canonizing her. She’s a partisan with an agenda, not some innocent impartial grieving widow.

    And your point about the FAA, even if I’m wrong, proves one thing: The President didn’t have to streak from the room and take control over every aspect of the situation.