Flashback Time…

Sex scandals… Hmmmm… Funny how I was directly comparing the nomination of a Secretary of State, but you being the illiterate shitbag you are had to bring up blowjobs in the Oval Office.

Just so you’re aware, that blowjob was part of testimony given to a grand jury that was a lie. That blowjob got him disbarred in Arkansas.

It wasn’t the sex scandal, it was the lie under oath that was part of Whitewater. But as usual, you Clinton Kool Aid drinkers like to just dismiss it as if he did nothing wrong by lying in front of a grand jury.

Let it go man.

I notice you didn’t mention any problems with Collin Powell, who was, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs? What was his diplomatic experience that caused him to skate through unscathed?

From Powell’s wikipedia entry (bolding mine):

“Powell was a professional soldier for 35 years, during which time he held a variety of command and staff positions and rose to the rank of 4-star General. His last assignment, from October 1, 1989 to September 30, 1993, was as the 12th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the highest military position in the Department of Defense. During this time, he oversaw 28 crises, including Operation Desert Storm in the 1991 Persian Gulf War. During these events, Powell earned a reputation as being a very dovish military leader. He rarely advocated military intervention as the first solution to an international dispute, and instead usually prescribed diplomacy and containment.”

Also, I’ll repeat the other point: we were not at war when Powell was confirmed unanimously. One could argue, as I tried to earlier, that in ’97 or even ’01, getting the best diplomat into the role wasn’t necessarily as important as it is today. You could say that Powell skated through because he was a widely respected individual, who’s popularity crossed party lines, and at that time it was more important to build a cabinet that seemed to blend party lines than it was to have a career diplomat. Although, to be sure, you learn a lot about diplomacy working your way up through the ranks — learning how to get what you want without offending superior officers, etc.

The vote she got just proves what insincere hypocrites the people questioning her credibility and suitability for her position are.

Patrick, please tell me you aren’t going back to that same damn PDB with not one piece of actionable intelligence and a note at the bottom that there were seventy ongoing FBI investigations at the time.

If you are, please tell me where in that PDB there was an imminent danger of an attack mentioned. You can find the entire PDB here. I can’t wait to see what in there wasn’t acted upon.

And you have to answer the question. Don’t pull one of your usual change the subject runaround bullshit sessions. That’s a direct question. What in the PDB said there was an attack imminent, and what in the PDB was actionable?

I used to think they came from your site, but since you guys haven’t linked me in awhile, I have no idea!

Determined does not equal imminent. He had been determined to attack the US since the late 90′s, and planning for the 9/11 attack began in 1996, so obviously determined did not mean imminent since the planning for this event he was determined to conduct took almost 5 years.

Also, in that very PDB was the following line:

The FBI is conducting approximately 70 investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers Bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group or Bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives.

Currently conducting 70 investigations sounds pretty much like they were trying to get to the bottom of what he was up to, they just failed to do so in time.

So now that we’ve put the PDB issue to rest again can we please stop bringing up this same stupid red herring?

No, you said determined plus some information in that PDB meant imminent, and yet I don’t see how that is the case. I also don’t see how you can make it sound like no one paid attention when there were 70 investigations going on with regards to Osama’s activities in the United States.

But I am really tired of talking about this same damn PDB. I don’t like herrings, especially red ones.

Yeees… the Republicans were nothing but co-operative during the Clinton years, weren’t they? It’s not like they poked away millions and millions over some ridiculous so-called sex scandal.

Maybe it’s just Albright was a more obvious choice and hadn’t spent the last four years wobbling and looking very uncomfortable in her last job?

Sex scandals… Hmmmm… Funny how I was directly comparing the nomination of a Secretary of State, but you being the illiterate shitbag you are had to bring up blowjobs in the Oval Office.

Just so you’re aware, that blowjob was part of testimony given to a grand jury that was a lie. That blowjob got him disbarred in Arkansas.

It wasn’t the sex scandal, it was the lie under oath that was part of Whitewater. But as usual, you Clinton Kool Aid drinkers like to just dismiss it as if he did nothing wrong by lying in front of a grand jury.

Let it go man.

Apples and oranges, Vinny. First of all, Albright had ten times the diplomatic chops of Rice when she was nominated. Bush himself has stated that “the Secretary of State is America’s face to the world.” So you’d think that maybe because Albright was a CAREER diplomat, whereas Rice has been National Security of Advisor, and before that, umm, provost of Stanford? Member of the board of directors at Chevron? Maybe their experience has something to do with the differences between then and now, to say nothing of Rice’s role in shaping a war where 1,400 American lives have been lost so far.

National Security Advisor during the worst foreign attack on American soil, terrorist or otherwise? Give that woman a promotion!

Additionally, in ’97, our nation was in the midst of unparalleled economic prosperity, and we were well-respected worldwide. Now we’re in the midst of a war, and our standing in the world could use some repair. For this, we want to hire somebody with almost no diplomatic experience?

Not everything has to be about Dems being shitty because at some point in the past, assuming you ignore other historical context, Repubs weren’t shitty about the same thing.

I notice you didn’t mention any problems with Collin Powell, who was, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs? What was his diplomatic experience that caused him to skate through unscathed?

From Powell’s wikipedia entry (bolding mine):

“Powell was a professional soldier for 35 years, during which time he held a variety of command and staff positions and rose to the rank of 4-star General. His last assignment, from October 1, 1989 to September 30, 1993, was as the 12th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the highest military position in the Department of Defense. During this time, he oversaw 28 crises, including Operation Desert Storm in the 1991 Persian Gulf War. During these events, Powell earned a reputation as being a very dovish military leader. He rarely advocated military intervention as the first solution to an international dispute, and instead usually prescribed diplomacy and containment.”

Also, I’ll repeat the other point: we were not at war when Powell was confirmed unanimously. One could argue, as I tried to earlier, that in ’97 or even ’01, getting the best diplomat into the role wasn’t necessarily as important as it is today. You could say that Powell skated through because he was a widely respected individual, who’s popularity crossed party lines, and at that time it was more important to build a cabinet that seemed to blend party lines than it was to have a career diplomat. Although, to be sure, you learn a lot about diplomacy working your way up through the ranks — learning how to get what you want without offending superior officers, etc.

The vote she got just proves what insincere hypocrites the people questioning her credibility and suitability for her position are.

And how is that? Remember the August Memo that warned her of a plot to attack America? Is a person partly responsible for the worst deffense/intelligence failure in American history qualified for a promotion?

Patrick, please tell me you aren’t going back to that same damn PDB with not one piece of actionable intelligence and a note at the bottom that there were seventy ongoing FBI investigations at the time.

If you are, please tell me where in that PDB there was an imminent danger of an attack mentioned. You can find the entire PDB here. I can’t wait to see what in there wasn’t acted upon.

And you have to answer the question. Don’t pull one of your usual change the subject runaround bullshit sessions. That’s a direct question. What in the PDB said there was an attack imminent, and what in the PDB was actionable?

I used to think they came from your site, but since you guys haven’t linked me in awhile, I have no idea!

Determined does not equal imminent. He had been determined to attack the US since the late 90′s, and planning for the 9/11 attack began in 1996, so obviously determined did not mean imminent since the planning for this event he was determined to conduct took almost 5 years.

Also, in that very PDB was the following line:

The FBI is conducting approximately 70 investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers Bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group or Bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives.

Currently conducting 70 investigations sounds pretty much like they were trying to get to the bottom of what he was up to, they just failed to do so in time.

So now that we’ve put the PDB issue to rest again can we please stop bringing up this same stupid red herring?

I would say that the term “determined,” coupled with the text that explains how great his success rate is should almost certainly indicate that the threat was imminent.

I didn’t say that “determined” alone equals imminent. See above.

Why does General George Casey hate America? What right does he have to disagree with our new Secretary of State?

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