News Stories I Don’t Give a Shit About

1. Hunter Thomspon blew his brains out. Big fucking deal. Sorry to hear about it. Next…

2. The snow… We know it snowed. We don’t need a damn news alert every five minutes to show a street with slush in it. Move on assholes.

3. The President smoked a joint. So? At least he didn’t lie about it or mitigate it (only smoked it, never inhaled it). No one ever asked, he didn’t volunteer it. And even if he did, it’s a joint. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

4. Some reporter had something to do with gay porn. Whoopdeedoo. Certain female bloggers are starfuckers anyway. Ironically, I care nothing about either.

5. The Gates: All you fuckers who join the crowd loving it on Friday before they opened and hating it when all the “critics” started bashing it can just go to hell. Fucking poseurs. Once something isn’t trendy, you lose interest.

6. Vin Diesel’s voicemail is out there… Big deal. It’s every bit as boring as he is.

7. Sirius signed NASCAR. Here’s the play by play: “And there goes Martin… He makes a left… Then he goes straight, and makes another left!” Auto racing is a television sport.

8. Paris Hilton’s privacy was invaded… Interesting that she’s all upset now, considering she was invaded privately, taped it, and watched it shoot around the world. I’m not banging her or talking to her, and I really don’t care what’s on her voicemail.

9. G4TechTV is now just G4. After decimating all the staff, firing people, and killing great shows, the G4 monster now officially takes over the entire channel and removes all links to TTV. Along with it go all its street cred with the geek set. No Cat Schwartz? No Vinny.

10. Air America is moving into another market. Their fan is happy.

11. Jerry Springer is on his own radio show. Something tells me the three hundred pound fatty banging a transsexual midget just won’t be as interesting on radio.

Please join us again next week when I bring you more News Stories I Don’t Give a Shit About!

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  • pete from astoria

    Regarding Hunter Thompson. It has now been reported that he blew his brains out while on the phone with his wife. His son, daughter-in-law and six year old granson were in the house at the time. What a thoughtful husband and father, that Hunter Thompson.

    Regarding the snow. Every year we have to witness the NY media go into shock at the fact that we occaisonally get snow during the winter. I guess we should be thankful for their cold weather dress tips though.

  • Patrick

    4. Some reporter had something to do with gay porn. Whoopdeedoo. Certain female bloggers are starfuckers anyway. Ironically, I care nothing about either.

    Actually, there is a hell of a lot more to report here than you are letting on. The focus really isn’t the pornography linkage, but rather the fact that he seems to have gotten a press pass without having to go through the normally required securitiy check. Couple that with the fact that he throws the administration “soft” questions and that he was invited to a Christmas ball at the White House and we certainly have something worth reporting about.

  • pam

    Well Patrick, Helen Thomas gets a pass too, so I guess it would be a wash then.:roll:

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    Couple that with the fact that he throws the administration “soft” questions and that he was invited to a Christmas ball at the White House and we certainly have something worth reporting about.

    So if he became a belligerent old idiot like Helen Thomas, would this still be worth talking about? I mean, I know the whole Whitehouse Press Corps is loaded with Bush sympathizers who never ask a hard question and don’t badger Scott McClelland in any way…

    You libs really will do anything to nail the President. Where were you when Eason Jordan “resigned?” Dan Rather was a conspiracy of right wing bloggers. And on and on and on. But the minute you guys can dig up a “scandal” (and I use the term loosely because I just don’t see where this story means a damned thing) you’re all over it.

    Must be that conservative media we keep hearing about. You know, the one Ed Asner keeps accusing every news network of being a part of.

  • pam

    Vinny- no it does not make the news anymore newsworthy. I agree with you!

  • http://www.stageleft.info stageleft

    Some reporter had something to do with gay porn.

    I think you missed a few things in there about the current administration getting caught trying to manipulate the press… maybe reword that to

    A non-reporter who moon-lighted as a hooker, or a hooker that pretended to be a reporter, got fast tracked into the Whitehouse press room and a whole bunch of people got caught with their pants down

    :-)

  • Patrick

    Vinny-

    He got a press pass using an alias. What do you have to say about the obvious favoritism employed in giving him a job at the White House? Do you realize that the required CIA security check would have immediately caught this. Can tell me why he made an ppearance at the White House Christmas ball?

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    Why did he make an appearance at the Whitehouse Christmas Ball?

    Who the hell knows, and what does it matter? Who else was there, since the whole guest list means so much to you…

    And honestly, since this guy was so biased and so obviously in the pocket of the administration, how many of you even knew his name before it was found out that he was somehow involved in gay whatever?

    Be honest.

  • Patrick

    Why do you have such a problem answering all of the problems I posed?

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    Vinny, I’ve been following this pretty much since it started, and it was immediately newsworthy. That he was called on by his pseudonym in press conferences (after being vetted with his real name) is problematic enough.

    For two months, he was admitted into the White House — back when Ari was still in charge of the press room before his news site even existed. This would be, what, 40 day passes or so? Let’s round it down to 25 because it’s an even number.

    At least twenty-five times, then, with absolutely NO affiliation to any news outlet whatsoever, he was allowed to participate in White House Press Conferences.

    By comparion, here’s a summary of World Net Daily’s failed attempt to get a permanent congressional press pass. Plus some commentary from the founder of WDN on the whole Guckert thing:

    But the whole sordid affair illustrates just why a truly free and independent press is so vital to watchdogging government.

    There is no substitute for good journalism. There is no substitute for seeking the truth. There is no substitute for upholding high ethical standards. There is no substitute for fierce independence.

    There’s more. Don’t get distracted by Guckert’s second job — based on recent studies showing how ignorant high school students are about the First Ammendment, the real story here is the continued attempts by this Administration to manipulate the press.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    It couldn’t just be a fuckup on the CIA’s part. Nope. Not at all. It had to be the biggest attempt to manipulate the press ever, symptomaic of a larger issue.

    As for being called by his pseudonym, so what?

    And Patrick, the reason I didn’t answer your questions is that they just don’t matter. You still didn’t answer mine, either…

    Did you know who this massive manipulator and distorter of press conferences was before this “scandal?”

    Sorry guys, I see a major case of trying to make something out of nothing. Patrick’s biggest problem is that he was invited to the Christmas ball.

    Yawn….

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    There’s a wide range of possibilities between thinking it’s “newsworthy,” versus “the biggest attempt to manipulate the press ever.” I never insinuated it was the latter.

    The CIA made a mistake? Every day for two years? If he’s getting a “daily pass” then that means he needs a background check every day, right?

    My understanding about the pseudonym is that it’s against the rules established by the White House. I could be wrong on this one, though. You’re vetted under a name to get your pass, then that’s the name on your pass, and the name used by the Press Secretary when he calls on you.

    After all of the other examples of paying off reporters to repeat the party line, I don’t think you can shrug this off as being “nothing.”

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    After all of the other examples of paying off reporters…

    Oh, you mean the one example, Armstrong Williams?

  • Patrick

    and what of Maggie Gallagher and Karen Ryan? -Oh wait, something tells me their not worth reporting about either.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    You may have a point with Karen Ryuan, but the Maggie Gallagher non-scandal is just ludicrous.

    How about a Kerry campaign strategist being on the active payroll of a major news network?

    Oh wait, there’s an excuse for that and I’m sure you’ll offer it…

  • Patrick

    No- I don’t offer an excuse.

    Your excuse for W’s cousin maintaining a comfortable spot on FoxNews’ payroll?

    The fact is, the campaigns, on both sides were riddled with abuses. However, the last thing one should expect from a presidential administration which has made a mission of spreading democracy worldwide is an attempt to manipulate the press. Sounds similar to things occurring in Russia.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    There’s no comparison between a cousin and an actual campaign manager.

    Sorry man. I know you want to paint Bush as an evil manipulator of all things, but that’s one comparison you just flat out can’t make.

  • mad heron

    Its just maddening when they give us the most booorrriinngg stuff as news i mean when they give this junk as front page news i mean who cares if some new age freak has a spiritial relation with wolves or some are insulted by the idea of roadkill gummies big friggen deal :razz: :shock:

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    Vinny — personally I wouldn’t suggest the Bush is an “evil manipulator of all things,” but certainly you have to at least recognize that this administration has set a new standard for the amount of control it exerts over the press. Just a handful of examples: Bush has given the fewest press conferences of any modern president; before, during, and after the campaign, Bush’s public appearances consist of guaranteed friendly crowds; going all the way back to the “Mission Accomplished” speech on the Lincoln, it’s important to remember the many ways in which that was stage-managed (including careful camera angles to make sure the coastline wasn’t visible in the background); also remember when Bush flew to Iraq for Thanksgiving, and proudly displayed a fake turkey; the creation of designated “protest zones” far away from the president during his public appearances; and the last time I checked, Bush doesn’t give live interviews — his public appearances are invariably scripted to the most seemingly trivial detail (when does he wear a tie, when does he roll up his sleeves, when does he clear brush from his ranch, etc.).

    Over and over, this administration has always done an excellent job of sticking to their talking points, and carefully controlling external variables. They are excellent at choreographing and staging.

    Frankly, I prefer a much more open, available government. Regardless of which political party is in The White House, I think that the president — as a civil servant, given his job by the people of the United States — should be required to answer tough questions. Once a month at least, but maybe even once a week. I’ve had too much experience in the business world (including very recently, unfortunately) with people who avoid tough questions.

    I have a sickening disdain for leaders who would choose to surround themselves with “yes” men or women. Over the years, I’ve built an increasing amount of distrust for authority figures who deal with potentially bad news by “going dark.”

    You are a better and stronger leader for putting yourself in a position where you might not have all of the answers, where your beliefs might be challenged. It’s a risk.

    But leadership isn’t about playing it safe, or being comfortable, or managing the situation so you never get push back. Adversity makes you stronger. What comedian worth his salt doesn’t know how to deal with a heckler now and then? What professional athlete isn’t that much better for doing his best while facing a hostile crowd?

    A much longer response than I’d originally planned, and I’m sure that my convictions about leadership don’t play well to focus groups, nor do they make for good politics, but such is life. Some of the most painfully difficult conversations I’ve had over the years have invariably helped me to become a better person. I can’t imagine where I’d be if I’d insulated myself from some of those criticisms, well-deserved or otherwise.

  • pete from astoria

    RBK,

    Playing it safe? Was going into Iraq playing it safe? Is trying to revamp the Social Security system safe? Is pushing through tax cuts during a war on two fronts safe? Is calling for an overhaul of the tax code safe? I could go on but the point is clear. This President is one of the most controversial and in many circles one of the most hated presidents in modern history. Is that a result of playing it safe? I don’t think so.

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    Pte,

    Of course leaders take risks, and Bush, to his credit, has launched a number of different activities that don’t “play it safe.”

    What I’m talking about is communication and leadership and being open to opposing points of view. When you undertake those risky ventures, you need to be prepared to TALK about them, to deal with the fallout of people wondering if the risks are worth it, or if the venture is even going to succeed.

    Part of the reason you do that is to learn about a point-of-view that maybe you hadn’t though about yet, because it’s not one you already agree with.

    But Bush doesn’t do that. Some leaders feel that because they’re in a position of power, they do not need to solicit the opinions of others. In fact, I think Bush said it himself, something along the lines about “the best thing about being president is that you don’t need to explain yourself.”

    That’s not communication, in my book. I’d much rather disagree with someone, then to live in ignorance of their opinions. To each their own, I guess.

  • pete from astoria

    RBK,
    I hear you, but a president is supposed to get advice/points of view from his cabinet, which I assume he does. The minority party doesn’t have any constitutional rights to co-govern. The minority party can try to push legislation, they can try to obstruct, but they don’t get to set policy. That’s why we have elections.

  • Patrick

    Heh,

    Except there are current attempts by Republicans to strip the minority party of some of the very rights you just noted.

    Republicans are now trying to strip Democrats of their filibuster right which, coincidentally, was a favorite tool of Republicans when Democrat’s held the majority in the early 90′s.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    Sure. I mean, historically the Republicans have fillibustered numerous judicial nominees. Why don’t you name a few, Patrick?

  • Patrick

    Vinny,

    I hope you realize that the fillibuster is a tool that extends beyond judicial nominees
    in use, as well as in a matter of importance.

    Here is a rather lengthy list of Republican filibusters that extend to and beyond Judicial nominees. -You can see that similar to the way Democrats are so vehemently opposed to Bush’s proposed legislation and appointments, Republicans were not particularly kind to the Clinton Administration in the early 90′s. Sound like Hypocrisy?

    1968 Abe Fortas, Supreme Court 1*
    1980 William Lubbers, NLRB 3
    1980 Don Zimmerman, NLRB 3
    1980 Stephen Breyer, 1st Circuit 2
    1987 Melissa Wells, Ambassador 1
    1987 William Verity, Commerce 1
    1993 Walter Dellinger, Justice 2
    1993 Five State Department Nominees 2
    1993 Janet Napolitano, Justice 1
    1994 Larry Lawrence, Ambassador 1
    1994 Rosemary Barkett, 11th Circuit 1
    1994 Sam Brown, Ambassador 3*
    1994 Derek Shearer, Ambassador 2
    1994 Ricki Tigert, FDIC 2
    1994 H. Lee Sarokin, 3rd Circuit 1
    1995 Henry Foster, Surgeon General 2*
    1998 David Satcher, Surgeon General 1
    2000 Marsha Berzon, 9th Circuit 1
    2000 Richard Paez, 9th Circuit 1

    -The Clinton Administration’s 1993 economic stimulus package

    -Campaign finance reform

    -lobbying reform

    -health care reform

    …and that’s just a fragment of the list.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    Yet again, Patrick, your partisan idiocy blinds you to the actual issue.

    Republicans don’t care that Democrats are using fillibusters. The bone of contention is that they’re using it on nominees to the bench.

    None of your examples of the GOP being “unkind” apply to a fillibuster. Not one.

    You really do need to read more and stop being such a partisan hack.

  • pete from astoria

    Patrick,
    First.

    I don’t believe that the filibuster is a constitutional right; rather it’s a Senate rule, which can be changed or amended by the rules committee.

    Second.
    According to your list:

    1987 Melissa Wells, Ambassador 1
    1987 William Verity, Commerce 1

    In 1987 Ronald Regan was the president so there would be no reason for republicans to filibuster his nominations for Ambassador & Commerce.

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    I think Patrick’s point is that opposition parties are supposed to, well, oppose things. And if you’re the party that’s well-entrenched in the minority, you should be able to use whatever tools you have at your disposal.

    Certainly nobody here is suggesting that the minority party shouldn’t fight back against the party that controls the White House? They have so little ability to initiate anything anyway, why shouldn’t they be able to push back on a few things here and there?

  • pete from astoria

    RBK,
    If that’s what Patrick is trying to say, I would tend to agree. However, the minority party should (for their own sake) not just oppose, but set forth ideas of their own. Remember the contract with America. Like the contract or not, the republicans who were in the minority for forty years at the time gave people something to vote for. The democrats, at this time are not doing that.

  • Patrick

    Thank you RKB for clarifying my point.

    However, I was also alluding to the issue of the “nuclear option” being a step toward rolling back the checks and balances in the legislative system. Senator Robert Byrd made a great point when he said that Majorities can sometimes be wrong -He went on to point out, among other things, that Jesus was even crucified with an approval of the majority. My point- where does it all end? Do we keep stripping the minority of certain filibuster rights when the minority wants a nominee confirmed or a certain piece of legislation passed?

  • pete from astoria

    Patrick,

    Robert Byrd stating, “majorities can sometimes be wrong”. I guess he knows from experience being a leader in the KKK!
    How does Sen. Byrd know that Jesus was crucified with the approval of the majority? Was there a poll done that we missed?

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com Vinny

    I love it when we discuss religion here. :roll:

  • pete from astoria

    Regarding Hunter Thompson. It has now been reported that he blew his brains out while on the phone with his wife. His son, daughter-in-law and six year old granson were in the house at the time. What a thoughtful husband and father, that Hunter Thompson.

    Regarding the snow. Every year we have to witness the NY media go into shock at the fact that we occaisonally get snow during the winter. I guess we should be thankful for their cold weather dress tips though.

  • Patrick

    4. Some reporter had something to do with gay porn. Whoopdeedoo. Certain female bloggers are starfuckers anyway. Ironically, I care nothing about either.

    Actually, there is a hell of a lot more to report here than you are letting on. The focus really isn’t the pornography linkage, but rather the fact that he seems to have gotten a press pass without having to go through the normally required securitiy check. Couple that with the fact that he throws the administration “soft” questions and that he was invited to a Christmas ball at the White House and we certainly have something worth reporting about.

  • pam

    Well Patrick, Helen Thomas gets a pass too, so I guess it would be a wash then.:roll:

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    Couple that with the fact that he throws the administration “soft” questions and that he was invited to a Christmas ball at the White House and we certainly have something worth reporting about.

    So if he became a belligerent old idiot like Helen Thomas, would this still be worth talking about? I mean, I know the whole Whitehouse Press Corps is loaded with Bush sympathizers who never ask a hard question and don’t badger Scott McClelland in any way…

    You libs really will do anything to nail the President. Where were you when Eason Jordan “resigned?” Dan Rather was a conspiracy of right wing bloggers. And on and on and on. But the minute you guys can dig up a “scandal” (and I use the term loosely because I just don’t see where this story means a damned thing) you’re all over it.

    Must be that conservative media we keep hearing about. You know, the one Ed Asner keeps accusing every news network of being a part of.

  • pam

    Vinny- no it does not make the news anymore newsworthy. I agree with you!

  • http://www.stageleft.info/ stageleft

    Some reporter had something to do with gay porn.

    I think you missed a few things in there about the current administration getting caught trying to manipulate the press… maybe reword that to

    A non-reporter who moon-lighted as a hooker, or a hooker that pretended to be a reporter, got fast tracked into the Whitehouse press room and a whole bunch of people got caught with their pants down

    :-)

  • Patrick

    Vinny-

    He got a press pass using an alias. What do you have to say about the obvious favoritism employed in giving him a job at the White House? Do you realize that the required CIA security check would have immediately caught this. Can tell me why he made an ppearance at the White House Christmas ball?

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    Why did he make an appearance at the Whitehouse Christmas Ball?

    Who the hell knows, and what does it matter? Who else was there, since the whole guest list means so much to you…

    And honestly, since this guy was so biased and so obviously in the pocket of the administration, how many of you even knew his name before it was found out that he was somehow involved in gay whatever?

    Be honest.

  • Patrick

    Why do you have such a problem answering all of the problems I posed?

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    Vinny, I’ve been following this pretty much since it started, and it was immediately newsworthy. That he was called on by his pseudonym in press conferences (after being vetted with his real name) is problematic enough.

    For two months, he was admitted into the White House — back when Ari was still in charge of the press room before his news site even existed. This would be, what, 40 day passes or so? Let’s round it down to 25 because it’s an even number.

    At least twenty-five times, then, with absolutely NO affiliation to any news outlet whatsoever, he was allowed to participate in White House Press Conferences.

    By comparion, here’s a summary of World Net Daily’s failed attempt to get a permanent congressional press pass. Plus some commentary from the founder of WDN on the whole Guckert thing:

    But the whole sordid affair illustrates just why a truly free and independent press is so vital to watchdogging government.

    There is no substitute for good journalism. There is no substitute for seeking the truth. There is no substitute for upholding high ethical standards. There is no substitute for fierce independence.

    There’s more. Don’t get distracted by Guckert’s second job — based on recent studies showing how ignorant high school students are about the First Ammendment, the real story here is the continued attempts by this Administration to manipulate the press.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    It couldn’t just be a fuckup on the CIA’s part. Nope. Not at all. It had to be the biggest attempt to manipulate the press ever, symptomaic of a larger issue.

    As for being called by his pseudonym, so what?

    And Patrick, the reason I didn’t answer your questions is that they just don’t matter. You still didn’t answer mine, either…

    Did you know who this massive manipulator and distorter of press conferences was before this “scandal?”

    Sorry guys, I see a major case of trying to make something out of nothing. Patrick’s biggest problem is that he was invited to the Christmas ball.

    Yawn….

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    There’s a wide range of possibilities between thinking it’s “newsworthy,” versus “the biggest attempt to manipulate the press ever.” I never insinuated it was the latter.

    The CIA made a mistake? Every day for two years? If he’s getting a “daily pass” then that means he needs a background check every day, right?

    My understanding about the pseudonym is that it’s against the rules established by the White House. I could be wrong on this one, though. You’re vetted under a name to get your pass, then that’s the name on your pass, and the name used by the Press Secretary when he calls on you.

    After all of the other examples of paying off reporters to repeat the party line, I don’t think you can shrug this off as being “nothing.”

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    After all of the other examples of paying off reporters…

    Oh, you mean the one example, Armstrong Williams?

  • Patrick

    and what of Maggie Gallagher and Karen Ryan? -Oh wait, something tells me their not worth reporting about either.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    You may have a point with Karen Ryuan, but the Maggie Gallagher non-scandal is just ludicrous.

    How about a Kerry campaign strategist being on the active payroll of a major news network?

    Oh wait, there’s an excuse for that and I’m sure you’ll offer it…

  • Patrick

    No- I don’t offer an excuse.

    Your excuse for W’s cousin maintaining a comfortable spot on FoxNews’ payroll?

    The fact is, the campaigns, on both sides were riddled with abuses. However, the last thing one should expect from a presidential administration which has made a mission of spreading democracy worldwide is an attempt to manipulate the press. Sounds similar to things occurring in Russia.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    There’s no comparison between a cousin and an actual campaign manager.

    Sorry man. I know you want to paint Bush as an evil manipulator of all things, but that’s one comparison you just flat out can’t make.

  • mad heron

    Its just maddening when they give us the most booorrriinngg stuff as news i mean when they give this junk as front page news i mean who cares if some new age freak has a spiritial relation with wolves or some are insulted by the idea of roadkill gummies big friggen deal :razz: :shock:

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    Vinny — personally I wouldn’t suggest the Bush is an “evil manipulator of all things,” but certainly you have to at least recognize that this administration has set a new standard for the amount of control it exerts over the press. Just a handful of examples: Bush has given the fewest press conferences of any modern president; before, during, and after the campaign, Bush’s public appearances consist of guaranteed friendly crowds; going all the way back to the “Mission Accomplished” speech on the Lincoln, it’s important to remember the many ways in which that was stage-managed (including careful camera angles to make sure the coastline wasn’t visible in the background); also remember when Bush flew to Iraq for Thanksgiving, and proudly displayed a fake turkey; the creation of designated “protest zones” far away from the president during his public appearances; and the last time I checked, Bush doesn’t give live interviews — his public appearances are invariably scripted to the most seemingly trivial detail (when does he wear a tie, when does he roll up his sleeves, when does he clear brush from his ranch, etc.).

    Over and over, this administration has always done an excellent job of sticking to their talking points, and carefully controlling external variables. They are excellent at choreographing and staging.

    Frankly, I prefer a much more open, available government. Regardless of which political party is in The White House, I think that the president — as a civil servant, given his job by the people of the United States — should be required to answer tough questions. Once a month at least, but maybe even once a week. I’ve had too much experience in the business world (including very recently, unfortunately) with people who avoid tough questions.

    I have a sickening disdain for leaders who would choose to surround themselves with “yes” men or women. Over the years, I’ve built an increasing amount of distrust for authority figures who deal with potentially bad news by “going dark.”

    You are a better and stronger leader for putting yourself in a position where you might not have all of the answers, where your beliefs might be challenged. It’s a risk.

    But leadership isn’t about playing it safe, or being comfortable, or managing the situation so you never get push back. Adversity makes you stronger. What comedian worth his salt doesn’t know how to deal with a heckler now and then? What professional athlete isn’t that much better for doing his best while facing a hostile crowd?

    A much longer response than I’d originally planned, and I’m sure that my convictions about leadership don’t play well to focus groups, nor do they make for good politics, but such is life. Some of the most painfully difficult conversations I’ve had over the years have invariably helped me to become a better person. I can’t imagine where I’d be if I’d insulated myself from some of those criticisms, well-deserved or otherwise.

  • pete from astoria

    RBK,

    Playing it safe? Was going into Iraq playing it safe? Is trying to revamp the Social Security system safe? Is pushing through tax cuts during a war on two fronts safe? Is calling for an overhaul of the tax code safe? I could go on but the point is clear. This President is one of the most controversial and in many circles one of the most hated presidents in modern history. Is that a result of playing it safe? I don’t think so.

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    Pte,

    Of course leaders take risks, and Bush, to his credit, has launched a number of different activities that don’t “play it safe.”

    What I’m talking about is communication and leadership and being open to opposing points of view. When you undertake those risky ventures, you need to be prepared to TALK about them, to deal with the fallout of people wondering if the risks are worth it, or if the venture is even going to succeed.

    Part of the reason you do that is to learn about a point-of-view that maybe you hadn’t though about yet, because it’s not one you already agree with.

    But Bush doesn’t do that. Some leaders feel that because they’re in a position of power, they do not need to solicit the opinions of others. In fact, I think Bush said it himself, something along the lines about “the best thing about being president is that you don’t need to explain yourself.”

    That’s not communication, in my book. I’d much rather disagree with someone, then to live in ignorance of their opinions. To each their own, I guess.

  • pete from astoria

    RBK,
    I hear you, but a president is supposed to get advice/points of view from his cabinet, which I assume he does. The minority party doesn’t have any constitutional rights to co-govern. The minority party can try to push legislation, they can try to obstruct, but they don’t get to set policy. That’s why we have elections.

  • Patrick

    Heh,

    Except there are current attempts by Republicans to strip the minority party of some of the very rights you just noted.

    Republicans are now trying to strip Democrats of their filibuster right which, coincidentally, was a favorite tool of Republicans when Democrat’s held the majority in the early 90′s.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    Sure. I mean, historically the Republicans have fillibustered numerous judicial nominees. Why don’t you name a few, Patrick?

  • Patrick

    Vinny,

    I hope you realize that the fillibuster is a tool that extends beyond judicial nominees
    in use, as well as in a matter of importance.

    Here is a rather lengthy list of Republican filibusters that extend to and beyond Judicial nominees. -You can see that similar to the way Democrats are so vehemently opposed to Bush’s proposed legislation and appointments, Republicans were not particularly kind to the Clinton Administration in the early 90′s. Sound like Hypocrisy?

    1968 Abe Fortas, Supreme Court 1*
    1980 William Lubbers, NLRB 3
    1980 Don Zimmerman, NLRB 3
    1980 Stephen Breyer, 1st Circuit 2
    1987 Melissa Wells, Ambassador 1
    1987 William Verity, Commerce 1
    1993 Walter Dellinger, Justice 2
    1993 Five State Department Nominees 2
    1993 Janet Napolitano, Justice 1
    1994 Larry Lawrence, Ambassador 1
    1994 Rosemary Barkett, 11th Circuit 1
    1994 Sam Brown, Ambassador 3*
    1994 Derek Shearer, Ambassador 2
    1994 Ricki Tigert, FDIC 2
    1994 H. Lee Sarokin, 3rd Circuit 1
    1995 Henry Foster, Surgeon General 2*
    1998 David Satcher, Surgeon General 1
    2000 Marsha Berzon, 9th Circuit 1
    2000 Richard Paez, 9th Circuit 1

    -The Clinton Administration’s 1993 economic stimulus package

    -Campaign finance reform

    -lobbying reform

    -health care reform

    …and that’s just a fragment of the list.

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    Yet again, Patrick, your partisan idiocy blinds you to the actual issue.

    Republicans don’t care that Democrats are using fillibusters. The bone of contention is that they’re using it on nominees to the bench.

    None of your examples of the GOP being “unkind” apply to a fillibuster. Not one.

    You really do need to read more and stop being such a partisan hack.

  • pete from astoria

    Patrick,
    First.

    I don’t believe that the filibuster is a constitutional right; rather it’s a Senate rule, which can be changed or amended by the rules committee.

    Second.
    According to your list:

    1987 Melissa Wells, Ambassador 1
    1987 William Verity, Commerce 1

    In 1987 Ronald Regan was the president so there would be no reason for republicans to filibuster his nominations for Ambassador & Commerce.

  • http://www.robertkbrown.com/ RKB

    I think Patrick’s point is that opposition parties are supposed to, well, oppose things. And if you’re the party that’s well-entrenched in the minority, you should be able to use whatever tools you have at your disposal.

    Certainly nobody here is suggesting that the minority party shouldn’t fight back against the party that controls the White House? They have so little ability to initiate anything anyway, why shouldn’t they be able to push back on a few things here and there?

  • pete from astoria

    RBK,
    If that’s what Patrick is trying to say, I would tend to agree. However, the minority party should (for their own sake) not just oppose, but set forth ideas of their own. Remember the contract with America. Like the contract or not, the republicans who were in the minority for forty years at the time gave people something to vote for. The democrats, at this time are not doing that.

  • Patrick

    Thank you RKB for clarifying my point.

    However, I was also alluding to the issue of the “nuclear option” being a step toward rolling back the checks and balances in the legislative system. Senator Robert Byrd made a great point when he said that Majorities can sometimes be wrong -He went on to point out, among other things, that Jesus was even crucified with an approval of the majority. My point- where does it all end? Do we keep stripping the minority of certain filibuster rights when the minority wants a nominee confirmed or a certain piece of legislation passed?

  • pete from astoria

    Patrick,

    Robert Byrd stating, “majorities can sometimes be wrong”. I guess he knows from experience being a leader in the KKK!
    How does Sen. Byrd know that Jesus was crucified with the approval of the majority? Was there a poll done that we missed?

  • http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/ Vinny

    I love it when we discuss religion here. :roll:

  • http://wweapons.blogspot.com kyudo

    wow, i read the first one and was shocked instantly. if this was your intention, nice work. i know this post is a little old, i was just browsing and had to let you know I was shocked. In a good way