Why Can’t We Just Accept Their Lifestyle as Normal?

Now now. Be nice.

It's the people like him (Ariel? OH YUCK!) who march in the gay pride parade and get in front of a mic and go "We're just like everyone else."

Living in NYC, I see plenty of it, and it's just odd. No place on the planet is more accepting of weird people, but let's not kid ourselves about what weird is. And when you're a man, in a fruit hat like Carmen Miranda, and a coconut bra, and your hairy man-ass is hanging out the back of your bikini, please don't lecture me on your normalcy or how I must accept you as just another guy.

That's my only point.

I know you didn't say it, Gordon. And, for about the fourth or fifth time recently, I find myself agreeing with you. I think both examples are people desperately seeking attention. In the worst possible way.

My original comment, really, was more for our good host, since it seemed the intent of this post to intimate that this kind of behavior is a fair reflection of "their lifestyle."

(Upon further reflection, it occurs to me that the guy in the photo is dressed as Arial. Eeesh. I don't want to know about the seashell bikini...)

Jeez. Try to harness all the sensitivity please. We must have a few secret crossdressers in this thread.

You can no more say that the guy in the photo is a reflection of the homosexual lifestyle than you can hold up a Springer guest as an example of the married heterosexual lifestyle.

RKB,
I didn't. I said that none of those people, the ones both you and I have cited, are normal. What's wrong with saying that?

Why does it have to be one or the other?

I can tell you one thing... No one thinks twice before calling Britney a skank, but people would watch their step if they were about to call someone an "ugly fag" lest they be called a homophobe.

There's no stigma attached to calling Britney a skank. It's done with a wink and a nod.

Try to make that case about insulting gay folk.

When did this guy ever say he wanted to be considered normal?

When I used to work in SF, I worked with this particularly flamboyant guy. He LIVED Rocky Horror Picture Show. Transexual Transvestite From Transylvania to a tee. The LAST thing this guy wanted was to be considered normal. He craved the spot light and the turned heads and the attention. Most of them that I knew were the same.

BFD. So does Brittney and JLo and any of the other Divas. But they're straight, so it's accepted. But which is a bigger harmful influence on our kids?

And normal is quite easily defined by society. For example, in the US 98% of men do not dress up as women. Therefore, the 2% who do, are not.

Pretty simple, actually.

You know what Mike? I wasn't saying anything other than you can't expect to be taken as normal when you, as a man, dress like a woman, wear full face makeup, a dress, heels, and then try to come off like you're "just like everyone else."

I don't give a shit about normal, but then again, I'm not trying to get everyone to accept every lifestyle choice I make under the guise of tolerance either.

Your results may vary.

The key line, Gordon is "abnormal heterosexual behaviors.". Adulterers, cousins who marry, men who live strippers and the strippers who sleep around with other men. I mean, if we're talking about lifestyles, as the headline above the photo suggests, spend a week watching that show and you'll see all kinds of fucked up lifestyles.

You can no more say that the guy in the photo is a reflection of the homosexual lifestyle than you can hold up a Springer guest as an example of the married heterosexual lifestyle.

1. Who defines "normal"?
2. Who gives a shit if you're not considered normal?

The only reason I can see for posting that picture is to make fun of that person. Why else would you do it?

Live and let live.

Yeah, but you can also go ahead and watch an episode of “Jerry Springer” to realize that there are a helluva lot of abnormal heterosexual behaviors, too.

Jerry Springer? He's got fags, crossdresserers, father rapers, trannys, she-males, adults in diapers..... etc etc.

They're all fucking freaks, it sells.

Now I'm not sure what you're getting at here RKB - are you saying that being gay is normal?

Yeah, but you can also go ahead and watch an episode of "Jerry Springer" to realize that there are a helluva lot of abnormal heterosexual behaviors, too.

I think it's pretty sick and I don't think it's moral in the least. Still, I have to admit that "To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything..." is one of my favorite movies.

Sure it is, Gordo.

It's perfectly normal for men to be made up like that. You obviously didn't get your copy of "How to be a Man" by Sir Elton John.

Oh, stop skirting the obvious.

It's not normal. Face it people. This is not in the realms of normality - whatsoever.

Does that make it a crime? Or wrong?

Not in my book. But it sure as hell isn't normal.

Meh. Definitely falls under the "love the sinner, hate the sin" concept. Got nothing against the person. What he or she does, however... That is the not-so-not-against thing.

As for the image? *twitches* I think I would either run away and hide, or ask what planet it was from.

I'm not judging. I'm not saying people are bad people or not or what they're doing is right or wrong.

Judge Not.