Somehow shielding pharmecutical companies from being sued for putting bad drugs out on the market made it into the patriot act. Somehow a brow beat leader of a country that was choked all over was attacked for a reason that turned out to be bullshit. I fail to see these two things making any difference. Why is hundreds of billions of dollars been spent then and we are no safer than we were on Spet 10th? And what have we done since Spet. 11th to be any safer?

~~holding breath~~

Nobody has said that the type of attack that happened in London cannot happen here. I suffer minor bouts of anxiety every time my BART train goes under the bay on the way to San Francisco. it CAN happen. that’s the price we pay for living in a free society. it’s highly doubtful, however, that highly coordinated, extremely destructive, 9/11-type of attack will happen again on our soil. doesn’t mean we can stop the timothy mcveigh’s of the world from blowing up a uhaul in front of a building, or prevent people from boarding trains and busses with backpacks full of explosives. if it were possible to stop those types of attacks in a free society, the Israelis would have figured it out years ago.

You don’t even have a weak argument Vinny. You just have no argument, period.

And I don’t mean that in a good way.

I seem to recall an anthrax attack that I believe was on our soil. Also a Washington DC area sniper. Neither of these were as well organized as 9/11, but I would certainly consider them acts of terrorism. You’d have to be very foolish to think that something like the London attack could never happen here, and even more foolish to think that occupying Iraq provides that protection.

I know you don’t read what I write and just scribble whatever useless contrarian crap you’re in the mood for, but at least read what you write.

I don’t remember an attack on our soil since 9/11. Maybe you do?

Show me how we are better off than we were on Spet 10th 2001.

But when we cannot seems to protect our own soil nearly 4 years after Sept 11th and hundreds of billions of dollars later with such simple things like the one mentioned in the above sentence, than your argument means nothing.

I’m sorry… I must’ve missed the other attack on American soil since 9/11.

When was it?

You might have a case about your “war on terrorism” if that is who in fact we were really fighting. But when we cannot seems to protect our own soil nearly 4 years after Sept 11th and hundreds of billions of dollars later with such simple things like the one mentioned in the above sentence, than your argument means nothing. And if you believe that hoew BushCo is handleing this is right and just, than you are just another sheep in his flock. Go follow your pied piper because he will lead you right to your doom.

As for the real point of this thread before it was so kindly hijacked, my heartfelt sympathies for anyone affected by these murders in London, be they family members, friends, or the world in general (at least the part of the world that is not liberalistic, bleeding-heart, “we-have-to-understand-them”, terrorist-appeasing nitwits). The mayor of London had some damned fine things to say about these attacks, and mostly how spineless the terrorists really are (which is so very much the case), however, Churchill still has some very valid words about these kinds of situations, even though they were uttered on 04JUN40.

Hang these terrorists out to dry. Hunt them down wherever they are hiding. Kill them. Arrest their compatriots. Arrest anyone who aided or assisted them, in any way. War is not about materially destroying the enemy, but destroying their will to fight. As some of the people who post here have already demonstrated, the terrorists have already won that battle over, at least on a few people. Time to start turning the tide on the terrorists, instead of losing more people to the mindless left.

Barefoot Paul, don’t worry about us gullible ones… we’ll keep fighting the good fight for you. Be sure to keep track of all the ooooooooiiiiil we take from Iraq and keep us posted. Surely we’ve already stolen millions of barrels.

And Amen, Bridget.

avoid cancer to prevent cancer? My father-in-law had led a very healthy lifestyle all his life and still managed to somehow get colon cancer and almost die. By your logic he shouldn’t have fought back against it. He should have just gotten out of it’s way. After all, that cancer gene had first rights to that space he was standing in, right? You honestly think if we actually packed up and left every Arab country they would leave us alone? Blind hatred needs no reason to attack innocents. They will not be satisfied until we are wiped off the earth as quickly as possible. Step out of their way? Hell no.

Bush may not be as dumb as some of us take him for. I’m not so sure about some of his supporters. As an ex-oilman, he knows what’s to be gained by occupying Iraq. You’d have to be extremely gullible to belive it’s safety and security.

If a person has cancer do you say the answer to the cure is radical chemotherapy? While that may be true for the treatment, it is certainly not the cure. And it is certainly not the answer for everyone else. What is the answer? The answer is to try and prevent the cancer from happening altogether. That means using the means of prevention. Eating the right balanced diet. Avoiding the carcinogenic agents that are known to cause cancers, etc.

Just as radical chemo is not the “answer” to curing cancer, neither is war for stopping terrorism. I mean, God fucking forbid someone in power takes a step back and starts ti think rather than react and say “when did these people start hating us and why?” We have been a free nation for 200+ years now and only have been directly involved with terrorism for the last 50 or so. Why? And my question is, why hasn’t anyone given and REAL THOUGHT to it? Al-Qeada was started by Osama Bin laden, a man that our very own CIA trained and funded to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 80s. Again, why hasn’t ANYONE given any thought to the real root cause of this hatred towards us? Fact is, these terrorist are not psychopathic killers. Psychoskill to kill. They don’t who they kill. And they don’t necessarily want to die themselves. No. These terrorists are more dangerous. The have a divine reason to kill (in their minds) and they have it calculated. And it will only get worse.

One solution would be to give them what they want. Let’s get out of their countires. Let’c cut off all aid and trade and have no relationship with them. We thebn post a coalition military in the non-arab border countires, that way we are not on their “sacred arab land.” Let them shoot, kill and praise allah to the highest in their litters boxes to their hearts content. If they try to leave and bring their jihads across that border. Kill them. Plain and simple. If they want to play nice with everyone else, play nice with them. Plain and simple. Israel wants to continue to stay where they are at. That si their problem then. It is lthe same concept that if you live in a bad beighborhood that is only getting worse, you have every right to stay there but don’t bitch that yout getting harassed day and night because your blatently against what the neighboorhood has become and what it is. The alternative is to move. Nobody else outside of the hell hole should support you or have to take shit over it. Nor should we, the USA, have to take shit because Israel doesn’t want to play nice in their bad neighborhood. I am sorry, but that is the price you have to pay.

At least you are right about one thing you said “unsophisticated, dumb Texan”