Jul 10 2005
The Favorite Lie of the Sympathizers
As leftists around the world figure out who other than muslims to blame for the crime committed against people who were doing nothing more than heading for work, you’ll probably hear something about the US breeding terrorists by keeping muslims poor, etc.
But the left never acknowledges when muslim murderers aren’t. For example, in Israel, there have been numerous cases where suicide bombers have come from well-off families, and are medical students, law school students, etc. Of course, those cases are either ignored or just glazed over because those muslim murderers don’t fit the muslim murderer template the media has created for us all. Hell, Osama bin Laden isn’t just some poor sheep farmer who got sucked into battling the infidel; the number one terrorist in the world is quite rich!
Now we see that fellow muslim murderers in London are seeking people with more than just a hard on for blowing up the infidel:
Leaked No 10 dossier reveals Al-Qaeda’s British recruits
AL-QAEDA is secretly recruiting affluent, middle-class Muslims in British universities and colleges to carry out terrorist attacks in this country, leaked Whitehall documents reveal.
A network of “extremist recruiters” is circulating on campuses targeting people with “technical and professional qualifications”, particularly engineering and IT degrees.
Yesterday it emerged that last week’s London bombings were a sophisticated attack with all the devices detonating on the Underground within 50 seconds of each other. The police believe those behind the outrage may be home-grown British terrorists with no criminal backgrounds and possessing technical expertise.
A joint Home Office and Foreign Office dossier — Young Muslims and Extremism — prepared for the prime minister last year, said Britain might now be harbouring thousands of Al-Qaeda sympathisers.
So much for the “poor downtrodden desperate” muslim template. I wonder how long it’ll take for this to really get steam and for people to start rethinking how idiotic that stereotype really is. Then again, no rethinking will happen because they’ll find any way possible to blame Bush. Just remember; the left thinks that George W. Bush put those bombs on those trains.
Don’t take my word for it. Go read the likes of Oliver “Like a magnet to Idiocy” Willis and his leftwing cronies.
July 10th, 2005 at 5:14 pm
Congratulations Vinny. I believe you’ve attained a whole new level of lunacy with this statement.
Seeking admittance into the wacko hall of fame?
As for the other short-sighted statements in this post, it should be obvious that terrorists seek out more than impoverished people to join them. They do so by sowing seeds of hate in hopes they might reap some future benefit. It should also be clear that without favorable conditions (good soil) like poverty, insecurity, and our continued occupation of their “holy land”, their job would be much harder and the crop would more likely fail.
This message - the subject of todays Gospel in the Roman Catholic Church - falls on deaf ears among those who believe the only response to violence is greater violence.
July 10th, 2005 at 7:30 pm
Do not read very many leftist blogs, do you, Barefoot? If you did, you might succeed in coming across as less of an ass than you currently appear. Give it a shot sometime.
That must be why the terrorists are actively attempting, and succeeding, at recruiting the affluent, well-off, educated, and trained individuals. Because they are certainly poor, insecure, concerned about “our” occupation of their “holy land”, and so on, so forth. Sure they are. Right. Uh-huh. *hangs Barefoot’s picture up next to Vinny’s in the supposed “Whacko Hall of Fame”*
For that matter, “our” occupation of their “holy land”? *looks around* I might have missed something, but I will be damned if I see many, if any, American troops camped out in Israel, much less actively fighting there. What the hell are you talking about? And “holy land”? Good thing you put that phrase in quotes, otherwise I might think you were completely off your rocker for thinking the Islamic religion ranks Jersalem much above third on their “major places in the world” list. But guess where Judaism/Christianity ranks it? Just take a shot.
Yes, because rolling over, giving up, and succumbing to the fear would be so much easier for you, would it not? Best of luck with that.
July 10th, 2005 at 10:40 pm
I want to win the Wacko Hall Of Fame.
I’m blaming the Mossad for 9/11 and 7/7.
I have no love for Islam, however. I’m certain they are responsible for much of the terrorism in the world today.
Why the Mossad, you ask? Because the chance of any leaks are minimized greatly.
July 10th, 2005 at 10:45 pm
Heh…
Today’s Gospel…
Interesting you bring up today’s Gospel, because the way you did it, you completely missed the point of it.
I didn’t expect you to get it.
Today’s Gospel was a metaphor.
The seeds (God’s word) are spread throughout all of mankind, landing on both those who choose to heed His word and those who don’t.
That is the point of today’s Gospel. Your analogy proves you just sat there listening but didn’t hear a word of it or understand it.
July 11th, 2005 at 12:08 am
I also must have missed something… what “holy land” were we occupying on September 10, 2001?
And bsti… I can’t tell if you’re being serious or facetious. :-/
July 11th, 2005 at 10:06 am
July 11th, 2005 at 6:05 pm
Now I’m accused of not reading enough leftist blogs? You people really crack me up.
Nathalie - You definitely did miss something. Here’s a few clues for you.
1) What nation has what are considered the 2 holiest sites in all of Islam?
2) Where did the majority of the 9/11 hijackers come from?
3) Where were about 5,000 American troops on 9/10/2001?
Getting enlightened yet?
Oh, and by the way, despite all the mischaracterizations here, I only claimed our occupation is ONE of many contributing factors fomenting terrorism. Certainly not the only one.
July 11th, 2005 at 6:41 pm
Sorry, Barefoot, but your nomination of Vinny to the “Wacko (sic) Hall of Fame” over his comment about the left, Bush, and the bombs on the trains proves quite easily how many leftist blogs you read. I guess logic is amusing to the likes of you…
July 11th, 2005 at 6:48 pm
Paul,
That is something you cannot drill into their heads because those heads are buried in the sand. They don’t want to listen and don’t understand that the terrorists didn’t just wake up one say and say “oh, lets go attack America”
All of this crying about “they brought the war to our doorstep” is amazing since the reality of it all is we brought the war to them when we decided to get involved with Israel back in the 50’s. Truman knew what was involved when he jumped into that kitchen. We have been pissing off the Arab nations for well over 50 years now and it is all coming to its fruition and when they retaliate and attack us, we are surprised. We are wrong they are wrong. It is a no win situation. And if you think it is not about oil, think again. There are many other regions in this world with inner conflicts that aren’t attacking us. Why doesn’t the IRA bomb us? They are terrorists, why don’t we go after them? Why didn’t Penochet (spelling) of South America attack us? He and his militia government were terrorists? So why didn’t we go after him? Amazingly enough, Irelands has no oil. Argentina was still allowing our American oil companies to suck their oil out of the ground.
Shit, we don’t even care about communists as long as we make money off of them (see China). Until it starts affecting our corporate tit sucking, we don’t give a fuck. Why haven;t we going into North Korea? No oil. Why don’t we go after Iran? No big oil fields there. Why don’t we get involved with Darfur and deal with the Sudanese goverment. No oil. Why don’t attack the Syrians who seem to be grooming terrorists to go fight in Iraq. No oil.
Iraq is nothing but an oil war. We are being brainwashed into thinking thatt this “war on terrorism” is an all out battle, yet I haven’t seen one real change in anything we do here state side. Our airports are still a disaster, our physical information infrastructure is still swiss cheese were infosec is concerned. Our sea ports are still wide open. Our immigration services are a joke. Our water supplies are ungaurded. Our nuclear energy plants have no real protection from a terrorist attack. Our food supply could easily be infected.
So you show me where there is any real protection? Elminating cockroach insurgants one by one is not solving anything. The mess we have created over there has only managed to increase the hatred and cause for them to cling to.
Things are only going to get worse as long as we “stay the course” we are on. That is reality Vinny, Nathalie and the rest. Whether you want to accept that or not is up to you. Keep vurying your heads in the sand.
July 11th, 2005 at 6:56 pm
I can see how all that oil we are swimming in is keeping the prices down at the pumps pilot:roll:
Would you suggest we just let the Arab world kill all the Jews? Because that is the way you wrote that crap. Give them the Jews and all will be peaceful is how i read that.
July 11th, 2005 at 7:13 pm
I have no sympathy for a group of people who choose to live where they are not wanted. Sure they have every right to be there, but along with being in the promised land comes the price to pay. And the Jews are not ours to give as you put it. How goddamn egotistical of you to think “we the wonderful USA” own them as if they were a bargining chip.
And if you knew ANYTHING about how the oil barrens are making their money, you would understand this is EXACTLY what Bush and Co. want. There are people getting disgustingly rich off of the results of this war. And they LOVE idiots like you who support the cause. You call it patriotism. I call it foolish and ignorant. While you put your yellow ribbon magnets on your cars buy the :united we stand” bumper stickers, those corporate pigs are swimming in their billions.
They also love you because you were sold a bill of goods to take it to the streets to call anyone who disagrees with you “unpatriotic.” Why? Because they don’t want anyone to question them. Why Pam? Why can’t we questions our governments motives behind what they do? What is so wrong with that? It certainly does not mean we don’t support our troops. Quite the contray. I wish all of those kids could come home. They have families too. They have lives. They are being sold a line of bullshit that they are making our contry safer by what they are doing in Iraq. Quite the contrary. What they are doing in Iraq is trying to turn it into a Qatar or Bahrain. Making it safe to do oil business.
If it is really about terror. If it is really about making us safe from them, then please tell me why they have not found any WMDs? Why haven’t they been able to make a connection between Iraq and Al Qeada? Why haven’t they been able to link Sept, 11th and Iraq?
Come on Pam, tell me
July 11th, 2005 at 9:21 pm
- Why is it that they are not wanted there? Why should they leave? Where would they go?
No, dumbass, I was saying any such thing about giving them as if we owned them. But then you would know that if you had half a brain.
Can you explain to me how it is that the oil barons(correct spelling of the word) are the ones getting rich?
Many everyday investors are making money off the oil market. Are they all republican? Are they all corporate pigs?
I wasn’t aware of being sold anything. Please show me where I called you unpatriotic?
These kids are doing the job they signed up for. I appreciate everything they do for me. I also pay attention to what they do. Much good has come from their struggle. But I guess you don’t see that.
Please tell me what the country of Iraq depended on for their economy prior to Saddam being removed from power.
July 11th, 2005 at 10:02 pm
I will answer your questions when you answer mine.
July 11th, 2005 at 10:27 pm
I would expect mothing more than that from you Pilot12:roll:
July 12th, 2005 at 1:17 am
wow, BFP– we were occupying the House of Saud on 9/10/01?! you mean we aren’t there at their request? we weren’t called there to defend the holiest of holy lands against Saddam? you mean to tell me that they want us to leave, but we refuse??? holy crap, I learn something new every day. thanks for the ‘enlightenment’.
Pilot12: “I have no sympathy for a group of people who choose to live where they are not wanted. Sure they have every right to be there, but along with being in the promised land comes the price to pay.” tell that to the large percentage of Israelis that are there because they were forced out of their homelands, fucktard. That is the most disgusting, ignorant piece of tripe I think I’ve ever read in these comments. and that’s saying a LOT. trust me, the Israelis I know don’t want any sympathy from you or anybody else. un-fucking-believable.
July 12th, 2005 at 7:02 am
Maybe one day a native american will walk up to Pilot’s front door, blow away him and his family and we can all say how we have no sympathy for him because he was unwanted on their land.
Honestly, I’ve heard some unbelievable stupidity out of the mouth of my libtrolls, but that has to be the unbridled best, and considering I have to put up with the likes of Sirrios, BFP, and Sam, I’d say that’s an astonishing accomplishment.
July 12th, 2005 at 7:10 am
Deleted for being a nasty prick. Please try again when you grow up.
July 12th, 2005 at 10:55 am
A fanatic will only get mad when they are proven wrong. That is why they are dangerous.
July 12th, 2005 at 11:28 am
Dave- good point.
July 12th, 2005 at 7:24 pm
We WERE talking about what motivates terrorists. But if you want to believe our presence in Saudi Arabia hasn’t been used to recruit them, enjoy living in your fantasy world.
July 12th, 2005 at 9:14 pm
BP-Are these terroists the heads of State? Last time I checked, they weren’t. Who cares if they like it or not.
July 13th, 2005 at 12:50 am
Now there’s a clever strategy. Let’s just not care about terrorism. We can sit back in our easy chairs and go on assuming that by sending other people’s kids over to get their limbs blown off in Iraq we’re somehow making the world safer.
Does everybody here live in that same fantasy world?
July 13th, 2005 at 9:05 am
BP- I am sorry to see that you feel people trying to follow your logic are living in a fantasy world. You might try being more clear and we wouldn’t have this problem. The question is valid. In reading your wordsit appears that we were occupying the land of the terrorists and we should get out. I will ask you again, what country are the terrorists head of? If they were the leaders of the countries they come from, than we would be at war with the respective countries. We are fighting a war against extremists that come from countries all over the middle east.
July 13th, 2005 at 11:49 pm
Pam,
Thank you for relaxing the tone of this discussion. I much prefer a civil discussion to a heated argument.
I don’t believe I ever said we should get out of Saudi Arabia and certainly don’t advocate appeasing terrorists, but as we’ve seen with Israel, the circle of responding to violence with ever increasing violence (at least when it’s done to those who weren’t responsible for the original act - ala Iraq) isn’t a viable solution either. A more appropriate response would at least try to understand the enemy’s motivation and that’s what I’m getting at here. I believe our unconditional support of both Israel and the house of Saud has a good deal to do with our becoming a terrorist target. Was it worth it? Likely a topic for another discussion but suspect you can guess my opinion.
July 14th, 2005 at 2:30 pm
BFP: you stated by example that we were occupying Saudi Arabia. Your definition of “occupation” is apparently very loose, cuz by your standards we are also occupying Germany, Japan, South Korea, etc.
They are motivated by hate and politics. But I don’t care what “motivates” them, because NOTHING justifies the terroristic tactics of Islamists. NOTHING. That’s all I need to understand.
For clarification purposes, a little history: Israel captured the West Bank (Jordan), Gaza/Sinai (Egypt) in defensive wars, fair and square. That ain’t occupation. Israel gave the Sinai back for promises of peace from Egypt, and I’m sure they’d do the same for those other pieces of land if Egypt and Jordan wanted them back, but they don’t want the land, they don’t want the people. That’s not Israel’s problem. Factually speaking, Jordan treats Jordyptians (err… Palestinians) like second-class citizens, unlike Israel. But I digress… why do conversations about Islamic terrorism always rope in Israel?
July 14th, 2005 at 7:29 pm
nathalie- because the terrorists want death to all Jews. Some people won’t admit it, while others see nothing wrong with it.