Wait a minute……before you escalate the Senator into being a war profiteer or murderer or drug addict or whatever way you are going to try and stretch this.

Wait a minute, who said any of that? Certainly not me, so could we stick to what I said and not your straw men that you’re beating to death?

I simply pointed out that someone who drives around in a rather large SUV should not be lecturing anyone on conservation.

We don’t have to stay the course with obvious mistakes, do we?

If he thought he made a mistake, he’d sell it, price be damned. We’re talking about conservation not compensation. If he felt that strongly about it, money wouldn’t be an issue.

Maybe he bought the SUV before gas was $3.40 a gallon.

I purchased a mini-van when gas was hovering around $1.00 a gallon and I am sorry about it now and I am telling everyone that will listen not to buy a gas hog SUV or mini-van.

Maybe he is just speaking from experience. Or is that something terrible too? Last year gas was not at $3.40 a gallon at least it wasn’t in Chicago.

At the very least I know he speaks from experience and don’t say he should sell it. I’ve tried selling mine and if I want to give it away for next to nothing I can sell it. If I want a fair price bassed on purchase price and regular automotive depreciation charts, I can’t sell it.

Let’s thank the Senator for realizing a mistake when he makes it and let’s thank him for urging us to practice conservation. There is nothing wrong with realizing you made a mistake and changing your thinking.

We don’t have to stay the course with obvious mistakes, do we?

IS IT POSSIBLE TO CONVERT A VEHICLE THAT WAS DESIGNED FOR GASOLINE TO OPERATE ON E85?

Yes. However, there are no conversions or after-market parts that have been certified by the EPA as meeting the standards to maintain clean exhaust emissions. Technically speaking, converting a vehicle that was designed to operate on unleaded gasoline only to operate on another form of fuel is a violation of the federal law and the offender may be subject to significant penalties. No after-market conversion company has successfully certified an E85 kit that would allow a gasoline vehicle to operate on 85 percent ethanol.

The differences in fuel injector size, air-fuel ratio, PCM calibrations, material composition of the fuel lines, pumps and tanks are just a few of the components that contribute to making an E85 conversion extremely complex. It is our understanding that at least one company is working to obtain EPA certification. We will monitor the situation closely, understanding the certification process can be time consuming, difficult and expensive.

Well, there we go.

Either he’s lying, he’s breaking the law, or his big proud vehicle is actually doing more harm for the environment than a gas auto:

During the 1980’s and early 1990’s, many small companies were formed that were altering gasoline powered vehicles to operate on other forms of fuels such as propane, compressed natural gas, 85 percent ethanol, and 85 percent methanol. The marketing program of these conversion companies was based on the premise that it was cheaper to operate a vehicle on alternative fuels. However, the vehicles being converted were engineered, designed and built to operate on unleaded only. Shortly after the emergence of the “conversion firms” the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) determined that when converted from gasoline to another form of fuel, the exhaust emissions from these converted vehicles were often much “dirtier” than prior to conversion. See explanation regarding EPA Memo 1A. The use of alternative fuels in the transportation sector has been built around the objectives of using cleaner, non-gasoline based components.

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IS IT POSSIBLE TO CONVERT A VEHICLE THAT WAS DESIGNED FOR GASOLINE TO OPERATE ON E85?

Yes. However, there are no conversions or after-market parts that have been certified by the EPA as meeting the standards to maintain clean exhaust emissions. Technically speaking, converting a vehicle that was designed to operate on unleaded gasoline only to operate on another form of fuel is a violation of the federal law and the offender may be subject to significant penalties. No after-market conversion company has successfully certified an E85 kit that would allow a gasoline vehicle to operate on 85 percent ethanol.

The differences in fuel injector size, air-fuel ratio, PCM calibrations, material composition of the fuel lines, pumps and tanks are just a few of the components that contribute to making an E85 conversion extremely complex. It is our understanding that at least one company is working to obtain EPA certification. We will monitor the situation closely, understanding the certification process can be time consuming, difficult and expensive.

Well, there we go.

Either he’s lying, he’s breaking the law, or his big proud vehicle is actually doing more harm for the environment than a gas auto:

During the 1980’s and early 1990’s, many small companies were formed that were altering gasoline powered vehicles to operate on other forms of fuels such as propane, compressed natural gas, 85 percent ethanol, and 85 percent methanol. The marketing program of these conversion companies was based on the premise that it was cheaper to operate a vehicle on alternative fuels. However, the vehicles being converted were engineered, designed and built to operate on unleaded only. Shortly after the emergence of the “conversion firms” the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) determined that when converted from gasoline to another form of fuel, the exhaust emissions from these converted vehicles were often much “dirtier” than prior to conversion. See explanation regarding EPA Memo 1A. The use of alternative fuels in the transportation sector has been built around the objectives of using cleaner, non-gasoline based components.

Oopsies

Maybe he bought the SUV before gas was $3.40 a gallon.

I purchased a mini-van when gas was hovering around $1.00 a gallon and I am sorry about it now and I am telling everyone that will listen not to buy a gas hog SUV or mini-van.

Maybe he is just speaking from experience. Or is that something terrible too? Last year gas was not at $3.40 a gallon at least it wasn’t in Chicago.

At the very least I know he speaks from experience and don’t say he should sell it. I’ve tried selling mine and if I want to give it away for next to nothing I can sell it. If I want a fair price bassed on purchase price and regular automotive depreciation charts, I can’t sell it.

Let’s thank the Senator for realizing a mistake when he makes it and let’s thank him for urging us to practice conservation. There is nothing wrong with realizing you made a mistake and changing your thinking.

We don’t have to stay the course with obvious mistakes, do we?

Wait a minute……before you escalate the Senator into being a war profiteer or murderer or drug addict or whatever way you are going to try and stretch this.

Wait a minute, who said any of that? Certainly not me, so could we stick to what I said and not your straw men that you’re beating to death?

I simply pointed out that someone who drives around in a rather large SUV should not be lecturing anyone on conservation.

We don’t have to stay the course with obvious mistakes, do we?

If he thought he made a mistake, he’d sell it, price be damned. We’re talking about conservation not compensation. If he felt that strongly about it, money wouldn’t be an issue.