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Boy Denied Cheerleader Spot Makes Good

I’m sure Daddy is really proud

A 2005 gender discrimination claim against East Hardin Middle School has been settled out of court. Melissa Barner, mother of Bobby Thorn, agreed to a settlement that included a $3,000 cash payment and requires East Hardin’s staff to undergo nondiscrimination training.

The principal, teachers and Jo Edwards, the former cheerleading coach who works as a school counselor, also must report to the commission any claims of discrimination made against the school in the next three years.

The discrimination claim Barner filed with the Kentucky Commission on Human Rights accused Edwards, the school’s former cheerleading coach, of not allowing a boy on the squad solely because of his gender.

“It wasn’t ever about money,” Barner said.

School officials denied any wrongdoing.

Her son, Bobby Thorn, now 13, has been cheering since he was 6½ and is an avid gymnast.

Barner said students and parents knew Bobby would try out for the squad, so it should have been no surprise for the school.

After three days of tryouts in the spring of 2005, Bobby, then 10, learned he had not been chosen.

“He cried for 45 minutes,” Barner said. “It broke his spirit.”

Honestly, good for the kid. I’m sure he’ll put that $3,000 toward charity since it wasn’t about the money to begin with *cough* and continue his meteoric rise to gymnastic and cheerleading fame and fortune.

But, “nondiscrimination training?” Honestly, has that ever been proven to actually do anything? Have these programs ever actually turned someone around? Or has it just taught them to be much more clever in how they discriminate.

My guess is that it’s much more of the latter.

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  • Wilhelm
    I don't know the boy involved.
    I was not there to assess his skills at tryouts.
    I do not know the social dynamics of his school, his family and his community.
    I do know that if he has the ability, if his skills are equal to or greater than the other contestants, then blocking him or scoring him low on gender alone is discrimination and unlawful.
    Fair is fair.
    If he can do the job, let him do the job!
    It took court action to achieve equal rights for women and for minorities.
    It's not unreasonable to expect court action will be required for discrimination against the male of the species.
  • Chris
    The issue here is not that the kid was cut from the team, it's that he was cut from the team because the coach didn't like what parts were between the kid's legs. From what I read, talent had nothing to do with it, and based on what I've read here and elsewhere, the kid was actually very talented, more so than many of the kids that did make the team.
  • Patrick
    Uhhh...not the most appropriate place to post that information...
  • Mackenzie
    I attend East Hardin Middle School! Ms. Jo Edwards is VERY nice! She is the family resource center coordinator! Im in the 6th Grade too!
  • The Masked Rye
    Wait... that was a joke?! :)
  • Patrick
    Yeah, I considered stealing her underwear, but, to be honest, they just didn't give me the dopamine rush that I usually experience when sniffing my subject's panties.

    So...I have decided that I am just going to offer myself to her. I have a fondness for the classic Hollywood seduction scene that involves a naked body and a large, conspicuous overcoat. If that doesn't work, I'll have to resort to Plan B; a murder suicide sandwich, with a corpse molestation just before I 'off' myself.


    God...I hope nobody thinks I'm serious...
  • The Masked Rye
    Ooo, have you considered building a shrine of some sort in honor of her? I'm sure the prosecuter would love that. 'Cause who doesn't love attention?!
  • The Masked Rye
    Exactly! I won't be letting ANY man 'stick it to me', let alone "THE man". I say, keep up the good work with the prosecuter. But honestly, the world is a dangerous place... if I were you, I'd carry some sort of weapon with you... a sharp knife for instance, just in case you run into the 'wrong sort of person'.

    I think you do have a pretty good shot with this case. Maybe if you got to know this woman better... her habits... I find that sorting through a woman's garbage, or even her dresser drawer with her unmentionables will give you a good idea of who she is as a person.

    And you're right... creepy is one of those hard to define words. I think it's creepy that they want to tell you not to use the bathroom. That's creepy in the first place. You on the other hand... you seem quite normal. Mind you, normal runs a large range.
  • Patrick
    That was my argument...

    It doesn't matter, however. I'm just not allowed, I guess.

    I'm not about to simply roll over and let 'the man' stick it to me. I've been following the prosecuter (a woman) home from work every day. I think that I can get her to drop the charges and ignore any future complaints if I can just stage some sort of smoothe, hollywood-esque sexual encounter during which she realizes the romantacism of my penchant for using the women's restroom. I've got a pretty good shot, I think, if I just keep doing my homework.

    I'd define creepy if I could. Really, I have no idea what they meant...
  • The Masked Rye
    ...and let's define "creepy" here...
  • The Masked Rye
    Patrick, I can't believe we've put up with that kind of sexist attitude in the past. It is your right to use those restrooms. They are set up as a public area, and you are a member of the public. And personally, I can argue that it is detrimental to your mental well-being NOT to use them. Personally, I don't want another dude looking at my junk. My junk is strictly for the ladies. I'd prefer to take care of business somewhere where I can feel safe and secure that if anyone catches a glimpse, it will be a woman.

    Plus, in a men's room, you might run into predatory repressed republican senators... or perhaps an overzealous police office prone to misinterpreting your normal toilet rituals as a prompting for some sort of sexual act. I don't think you'd have that problem in a women's room. Keep that in mind.

    Just doing my part to help out.
  • Patrick
    "and sometimes we’re not wanted in certain places."

    Tell me about it...! I'm not allowed into the womens restroom anymore because, apparently, its "men are not allowed." they said I was acting "creepy." ...Assholes.



    ...Think I'll see about contacting Bobby's attorney.
  • The Masked Rye
    Suing is allowed for almost everything. Sure, some of it is valid, but sometimes, we should expect our kids to live with a little rejection. It's good for the soul. But what we teach them nowadays is that you can stomp your feet and throw a fit and eventually you'll get your way. Sometimes barriers need to be broken, but honestly, sometimes we build character best in how we handle defeat.

    We don't want to build a world of conformists, but if no one conformed, it'd be Mad Max out there. But what do I know... we should just let girls into the Boy Scouts, and vice versa, just so we don't hurt anyones feelings. Hey, the world is a harsh place... and sometimes we're not wanted in certain places. That's life.
  • Binkster
    Lawrence,

    ha, yea, it takes some work to bend in those directions, trust me! Its not really the "cheerleading" that he was going to with his life, but i look at it in a way as ...got a free ride to college, i can pursue what i want to in life & as well, do what i enjoy doing...i guess we all look at it in a different way =] you are right about the "eye candy" --college cheerleaders [such as the dallas cowboy cheerleaders] are definitely nothing but that. & i hate saying that cause i was a cheerleader & i would never want anyone to say that, but its true =] high school & middle school is totally different, though ...its actually ...fun, lol =] have a good night.

    davey:

    Suing over discrimination ...good idea. I know if someone personally told my son or daughter they couldnt be on a team because "they were a boy/girl" i would probably be pissed, as well. Suing is aloud over discrimination, right? yea, i thought so.
  • Hey, uh, Binkey, right? If he sues because he got cut he is a whiner, by definition. I'm not saying that people don't have a right to their feelings, but just because you get your feelings hurt does not justify a lawsuit or any other subsequent action. Hate to say it, but his feelings are not that important.

    ...get my facts straight. Feelings are irrelevant to arguments, which why I'm amazed that more people get away with such whiney nonsense. As for a life, I'm not the one posting a lengthy reply to somebody I don't even know. (This doesn't count as a lengthy reply. I needed to defend my honor. Kthnxbye!)
  • Lawrence
    You're right, binkster. My body can't do all that. The reason? I don't want it to. Sure you have to be in great shape and it takes a LOT of practice, but so what? You know some one who got a free ride at college? Well, all sarcasm aside, that's impressive. But what's she going to do after college? I hope its not professional cheer leading. The most over looked (rightfully) people at any sports event.

    Consider this; at a home game, the JANITOR provides a more useful service than a cheerleader. Unlike at maybe a high school, professional cheerleaders don't lead any cheers. They're basically just eye candy, decoration on the sidelines.

    Now while they may be able to bend in ways i can't. I prefer to actually contribute to society.
  • Binkster
    "Davey":

    [A]You know nothing about this boy. Regardless, this is somewhat of a "message board" -- you are entitled to your own opinion. But let me help you out a little bit on this situation, regarding Bobby. I want you to know, that I, a girl, use to cheer ...with Bobby. At a gym. Yes, a gym. A Gym that wins NATIONAL competitions every month, every year. Knowing that, take this into consideration. A squad of 20 girls/guys have to go out on a competition floor for 2 1/2 minutes, perform hard, strong and perfect. If not, they more than likely aren't going to win. Please know that cheerleaders in general have to know how to flip their bodies into the air several times & land perfectly onto their feet. Or they have to be thrown in the air & as they are coming down twist. NOW, knowing THAT, bobby couldnt have possibly "sucked" --Hes been doing this since he was 5. When you are as small as he is, you are able to do a little more. His sister, as well was a cheerleader. Just because a guy is a cheerleader doesnt mean he is as cross-dresser. I would love more than anything to see some random guy get out there and perform to their ability. Doing something that doesnt "pertain" to your gender doesnt neccessarly mean that you are "whiney" -- you just love to do something that a great deal of americans cannot do. You are included in this great deal, I'm sure of it. Or else, you wouldnt be saying what you have.

    [B]Whiney: Lets see, if your kids didnt make a team or when you were a kid and you didnt make a team [especially being that young] -- I'm sure that it hurt them or you. Sometimes, you gotta cry. Learn that others do have feelings. Would you call your children "whiney" just because they didnt make a team and they were a tad upset over it? No, you know you feel their pain.

    Bobby is not only a very intelligent child, but he has something going for him. Did you know that you can get a FULL RIDE to college of you are an outstanding, dedicated team member? Granted, its hard to do that with cheerleading, its happened. Because I have friends that have gone that far. Full rides because of cheerleading. I'd love for you to try and do that. Or wait, your body probably wont allow you to bend like that.

    Get your facts straight, think about things a little deeper & most of all, get a life & some feelings.

    Thanks.
  • You're right. All that training will do is teach them how to discriminate legitimately.

    When I worked in civil service they had "sensitivity training" and all that did was teach people how to sound sensitive, not be sensitive. LOL
  • He'll grow up to be a mediocre whiner...

    Or Al Gore...

    Oh wait, that's the same thing.
  • Wait a second, I'm confused.

    1st: Was he a cross dresser or just a regular guy? There usually aren't guy cheerleaders in high school, you see them more in college and they aren't big flamers. Usually (there are exceptions) the guys who go for cheerleader in high school are the kind who like to wear their sisters clothes when nobody's home and show up at the ten year reunion is a dress and fake boobs.

    2nd: Maybe the boy just sucked at it. That's why most girls who try out for football or wrestling don't make the team is because their bodies just aren't built for that kind of activity, just like a guy's body isn't built for the types of moves cheerleaders do.

    and 3rd: What's the deal with people suing schools for not making stuff or not winning? When we were in high school, if you didn't make the team, get a part in a play, or got "honorable mention" at a science fair, it may have hurt, but we sucked it up, learned from the experience and moved on. We didn't SUE! What kind of lesson is that to teach a kid? Anytime something doesn't go your way you SUE?! Great life lesson. Your kid is going to grow up to be a mediocre winer. I'm sure you'll be proud.
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