Apr 28 2008
Anti-Police Bullshit Hits New Heights
Well, the good news for the ghetto trash throughout the city is now they have the excuse they need to hate the “pigs.” They welcomed the verdict from the courthouse steps with chants of “KKK” and a few scuffles as the civilized oppressed citizens of this city made the most of the fact that they had a few hours of getting away with anything they did in the name of being traumatized.
You could feel this coming from miles away. The Bell / Paultre-Bell family did a great job of poisoning the city with their outrage. Before a single word in the case was even heard, the city had already decided the guilt of the officers. Apparently, a lot of shots = guilty. Forget the situation. Forget the horrid neighborhood. Forget the fact that one detective was hit by a car that was used to flee and may have been used as a deadly weapon. Forget that Saint Sean Bell was a known problem with a record of drug dealing and weapon possession. Forget that he didn’t put his hands up when ordered by police. Forget that he was legally intoxicated.
Forget all that.
Cops shot someone.
Cops are wrong.
The race-baiters and anti-police contingent are all outraged over this. The news media is back to shoving microphones in the face of Al Sharpton, famous advocate for Tawanna Brawley whose lie about a police detective was amplified by Sharpton again and again until Brawley confessed that it was indeed false. As a result, Al Sharpton was ordered to pay civil damages to Steven Pagones; damages of which he has not received one single cent.
So now idiots are marching in the streets demanding justice. Police are being called racist pigs, and the justice system is being mocked. In the minds of those marching, justice isn’t justice. Justice is a conviction.
In fact, just look at this tripe:
In New York City it seems that cops can do anything without any repercussions.
That’s what the attitude is in this city from the minority “community.” Anything short of a conviction is a failure. Apparently, a justice system that doesn’t just summarily convict all police officers who are tried (well, all cops who are tried; if a minority in this city is convicted in a high profile case, that’s not justice).
The person quoted above mentions Bell and Amadou Diallo; another cause celebre among “the police are pigs” movement. Amadou Diallo, an African Immigrant who never bothered to learn English was shot in the vestibule of his apartment building. Police asked him to freeze and put his hands up. Instead of following instructions, the man put his hand in his back pocket and turned around. At that point, he was shot 47 times. The item he pulled out of his pocket in the dark was a wallet, and apparently, police are meant to assume every person going into their pocket is trying to get ID and not freezing when told means you just don’t speak enough languages.
I’ve had my run ins with the NYPD in the past. I wast at a Critical Mass that was an utter mess and the police spent most of the time harassing riders. I was harassed for stopping and taking photographs of the NYC Subway, something I used to do on a regular basis. Make no mistake, I’m not some mouthpiece for the NYPD, but when you watch your city fall apart because a few racist “community leaders” manage to fire up the masses and turn them all against the NYPD in the name of justice, it tends to rile you up.
The NYPD isn’t perfect, but the people baiting the city into riots over this decision have really picked the wrong horse to throw their saddle on.
Protest photograph by Jason DeCrow of the AP
April 28th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Apparently voicing your one sentence opinion about a trial in NYC from your home in Massachusetts (on your blog that is read by 10 people) is akin to “baiting the city into riots”. Nice addition to the public discourse, Vinny.
“Apparently, a justice system that doesn’t just summarily convict all police officers who are tried”
You make a good point though. The cops got their trial and they were acquitted. They’re innocent under the law. Is it possible though that the system leans in favor of cops? You list two instances of cops abusing their powers. Were these cops ever reprimanded? How many more cases like that do you think happen in a week?
April 28th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Yeah you’re right Jeff. I wasn’t talking about Al Sharpton and the people in the picture. I was talking directly about you. You’re huge here in NYC!
Reprimanded for what, exactly?
So far each case of police brutality (with the exception of Abner Louima, of course) that has become a “big story” has basically been the same thing. Guy gets shot by police officers, city creates lynchmob, more of the story comes out and the police are acquitted, city breaks down into racial rioting from people like Al Sharpton and them stoking the flames.
Here’s a piece of advice for future Sean Bells… When the police say “Freeze, hands up,” FREEZE, and put your stupid fucking hands in the stupid fucking air because if you make a move like you have something in your back pocket, or if you hit the gas on your car and try to escape / run a cop over, you’re gonna die.
Is that so fucking hard for people to understand? Apparently.
April 28th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Wait a minute…It’s late at night in a bad part of town…some guy in plain clothes yells freeze, whips out a gun, an unmarked van tries to block your way in a dark alley! You better fucking believe I’m gonna hit the gas and get the fuck out of there! How did he know those guys were real fucking cops!?! Seriously, to unload clips and clips of shots into a car without knowing if the guys really had a gun, that to me is excessive.
think.
April 28th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
How about you do some thinking?
The shots went off in front of the club and the detectives in question started questioning them as soon as they left it. Where, on 94th Avenue, do you see a dark alley right next to the club (hint, the little A is the front door to the Kalua Caberet.
And, seeing as you have that part wrong, why are to we to just assume that it was dark and dangerous for the driver, but that it wasn’t dark and dangerous for the cops when he pressed the gas?
Bell knew what he was doing. He’s a guy who’s been in trouble for dealing and weapons on multiple occasions and didn’t want a cop in his face, so he hit the gas on 194th street and almost ran a cop over. Since we’re playing “How would you react,” how would you react if a car is coming at you in a bad part of town with a known dealer / weapons offender driving?
As for the “excessive” part… Well… I say fire until the guy stops. If it takes 150 shots, so be it.
Maybe his friends will freeze next time.
April 28th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Jeff, so the cops should be reprimanded because they did their job? Once they become cops, they know that they basically have targets on them (as evidenced by this mob). People are so ready to rally against NYPD. I myself have had negative interactions with them, but I realized that though I was severly inconvenienced, they were, in the end doing their jobs, and they were only human. They have to contend with the knowledge that anyone they stop might try to kill them. Any situation can turn bloody, and they’re willing to risk themselves.
I’m sorry, no matter how right I am, if a cop says freeze, I freeze. If they say hands up, I know it’s not because they enjoy making me do what they say, it’s because they can’t take a chance that I might have a weapon.
And maybe these people don’t understand how our system works here… if they are declared innocent by the court, you’ve got to accept it. That’s why we have courts and cops, to serve and protect and keep order. Without them, we’d have chaos. That’s why though I may not agree with the cops on all that they do, I do respect them for the job they’ve taken on.
And I agree… fire until the guy stops. Maybe the rest of his jackass friends will show more respect next time, instead of acting the way they did.
Once again, the world is full of stupid people. Just plain stupid.
April 28th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
“Reprimanded for what, exactly?”
I don’t know, I wasn’t there. I assume the cop gave you a hard time for something that was not illegal. Otherwise you wouldn’t be complaining. I’m not saying the guy should go to jail but when a cop screws up at his job shouldn’t that count against them in some small way? These people are public employees. I don’t think they generally get held accountable for their mistakes. When you were on the train platform and the cop told you couldn’t take pictures he was lying or incompetent.
April 28th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
“Maybe his friends will freeze next time.”
Good god why??! How many reports do you see about people out there posing as cops?! So how do they know they were even real cops?!
Look, for the record, I’m not on either side here but to me 50 shots is overkill. At some point he should have stopped to listen if there was even any return fire. Im sure it was awfully quiet while he was reloading…
If it takes more than 50 rounds to make sure your not in danger I think he needs more time at the range. Someone in his position should know when the danger is no longer there and it shouldn’t take 5 mags to figure that out.
Yes, I’m a gun owner and I’ve CCW’d everyday for years so I know a little about carrying and the consequences of such. btw, this isn’t the movies, one thing people don’t realize is that 50 shots of lead have to end up somewhere…if not in the dead guys body.
done. bye.
April 28th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Not nearly enough to assume anyone who whips out a gun and says “freeze” isn’t one.
Stop it. You sound stupid.
April 29th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
I didn’t realize there was an epidemic of people posing as cops. Generally, I value my life, and if someone pulls out a gun and says freeze, regardless of whether they are cops or not, I’m likely to freeze (self preservation and all). But hey, that’s just me. And if I’m not doing anything wrong, I’ll want the opportunity to explain my actions and find out what the issue is, but hey that’s just me.
April 29th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Ya know, I was thinking about that, and you’re right, but then again we aren’t scumbags with records, either. He probably had history galore and was worried that someone was gettin’ some payback.
April 29th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
…although I have been called a scumbag once or twice…