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Haiti is devastated. 100,000 people are likely to have perished in a quake that destroyed the entire country and leveled the capitol to a point where it will take years just to get the country back to the mediocre condition many of its poorest people lived in for most of their lives. Amidst this devastation, many are thanking God for his providence in leading their family to safety or for sparing their family altogether, or for not devastating relatives in Haiti.

I don’t get it.

Far be it from me to question someone’s belief in God. I believe, also. Maybe not to the extent people would like me to believe, but I believe. I believe God sets us down on Earth, lets us do our thing, then comes and gets us after a few years when He’s ready, not unlike the way parents pick you up, as a kid, from a friend’s house after a play-date. God is our father, and he picks us up to go home when we’re done playing with our friends here on Earth.

For me, there’s no leap of faith to be made here because I don’t believe that God has a hand in everything that goes on on this little marble we’re spinning through space on. I think he just lets us be and picks us up at the end. We can eff up everything, and we’ll be picked up by the Father when it’s time to go home. For others, however, I can’t imagine what a tortured life it must be to believe that everything that happens and is done for them or for their family is done at the hands of the Lord. If you believe that, and I’m not saying you shouldn’t, you have to reconcile a lot of things that I don’t have to, and you also have to discount what’s staring you right in the face.

For example, if you believe God has a hand in everything, you have to therefore believe the earthquake was caused by Him and to believe that, you’d have to believe he did it for a reason. You would also have to suspend disbelief that God would harm innocent people for no reason, and trod upon the already-suffering masses in a country that’s had more sadness than most others in the world. You’d essentially have to believe that your God, for no apparent reason, decided to smite a country with a natural disaster. What’s that, you say? I don’t understand?

Well, actually I do, because on top of believing that, if you believe God has a hand in everything, you’d also have to believe that God didn’t save thousands of people from torturous deaths in Haiti, but helped you graduate college, get a job promotion, or helped P. Diddy win a Grammy. In fact, we know he helped the Yankees win the World Series, and he helped numerous R&B singers win AMA’s, Grammy’s, and MTV VMA’s because, as they remind us when they win, they’d like to “thank God.”

That this leaves us in, at the very least, a contradictory position, is obvious. In order to believe God tinkers with our daily lives, we have to accept the fact that He destroyed a tropical nation of impoverished people, while at the same time gave Soulja Boy mad stacks on deck, lotsa hunnys, and so on. Does that even make sense to anyone?

Oh right, it’s not supposed to make sense because we take it on faith that giving Soulja Boy a leg up and destroying a country are the same thing. We’re supposed to take it on faith that God works in ways we don’t understand. In fact, arguments like this are usually cut off with such compelling thoughts as “because He can,” or “that’s why it’s called faith,” and in the end both of those say one of two things to me: we don’t have an answer, or we do and it’s not convenient to our beliefs so we just ignore it.

I have the answer. God is out there. Watching. Paying attention. He sees what we do. He pays attention. He takes notes. But in the end, he’s an observer. What happens to us is up to us, not up to Him. He doesn’t give people awards, sports championships, or help them graduate college. He doesn’t give people healthy babies, bigger houses, faster cars, more money, or a better sex life. The next time you see some dope on television (or anywhere, for that matter) telling you how great God is because God turned their life around and took their dumb pothead knocked up ass and helped them graduate college and get a happy family, just ask them about the thousands of people who God, by their definition, let slip who worked hard, were good people, and didn’t make it.

God doesn’t intervene because if he did, there are a lot of people who could’ve been spared some insanely tragic circumstances in their lives.

That’s just the way it is.

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  • Robert Lee
    If you're over 12 y.o. you no longer believe in Santa Claus. By the same token if you're over 12 y.o. you should also know that there are no gods; Greek, Roman, Christian...whatever!!! This is not brain surgery. Indoctrination is a hard thing to overcome but all you have to do is ask the right questions and the truth will become obvious to you. Just don't ask the church because your believing is how they afford to eat. If you stop believing the church leaders will have to get a real job.

    Oh yes, to the moron who posted about the 80% Catholic=Sodomy. You might be interested to know that 75% of all animals on the planet are bisexual, humans included.
    I would infer from your comment that you are a Christian. First of all, I'm sorry. Second, maybe you haven't heard the story of the Alabama pastor found dead in his home wearing two wetsuits, a diving hood, a diving mask, rubber underwear. He was also found to have a condom covered dildo inserted into his rectum. Don't ever say there's no perversion in the Christian community.

    There is much hipocrisy in the world. Be yourself and be proud of who you are, and don't condemn those who are different. Your hatred of non-christians is a lesson you probably learned in Sunday school. Your bible is full of genocide commanded by your so-called "Loving" god.

    The Haitian people are victims of a natural disaster. Your god cannot be responsible since it doesn't exist. Help if you can, but do not pray. One bottle of water will help. One million prayers do nothing.
  • Rob
    I would bet that as many church buildings fell as any other. If God was truly punishing the bad people, why wouldn't ALL of the churches be left standing?
  • PoBiddy
    You ask, "Does that even make sense to anyone?" and my answer is: No. Your essay makes no sense whatsoever. Your points are made using circular arguments and show a complete ignorance of what many call "the Christian God." Perhaps you know of or speak of another? If so, then I apologize.
  • skatterbrainz
    Let's not forget the argument that Satan does the bad things, not God. That leaves open a gaping flaw in the logic of God being "almighty" while being omniscient. Does that mean God accedes to Satan's desires at times? God is helpless to stop Satan? If God is omniscient (i.e. "all knowing, all seeing") can he/she not foresee the actions of Satan? Does that mean God chooses not to intervene? Ask anyone who has fought in a bloody war (not pushing rocket launcher buttons from a jet in the sky) after they've seen villages plundered how they reconcile such beliefs. If God is involved, we have some serious shit to worry about.
  • bill
    Haiti had it coming. They're 80% Catholic = Sodomy.
  • 9/11 was an inside job, and it wasn't perpetrated by Muslims.
  • Donald Craft
    What everyone seems to forget here is that we are creatures in a fallen world because our progenitors Adam and Eve chose to disobey God and take the consequences that God decreed, death. Death, suffering and all these horrible diseases and natural disasters are God’s faithfulness to his condition upon mankind. The idea that someone’s should be kinder or gentler or more merciful is really conditioned upon man’s repentance. But we now live in the most ungodly, most unrepentant world every in recent history. That is, assuming that we are not quite as bad as the people of Noah’s day when God destroyed all things and all men because they deserved it then. Perhaps we have succeeded in being worse than men in Noah’s day but prophesy tells us that the end will come in a likewise fashion howbeit not by water. My mother always told me that the gentlest death is drowning (when we euthanasized exra kittens from our cats on the farm who seemed to have lots of kittens. The last days in the Bible are total destruction by fire. When will men heed the clear warnings and repent clinging to the mercy of God which is only for those who repent. There will be a better world some days

    How arrogant and sad it is that some assume that God will be kind to them while they live in rebellion to God. Where are YOU? Have you made peace with God?
  • C.E. Johnstone
    In a way they're not wrong, you know. God isn't juggling, God built an enormous clockwork machine, but God has an oil can. Having a hand in everything and being responsible for them are two separate things, but that's what God's guilty of, I think, either way you look at it.

    God would say the people in Haiti died as a side-effect of being alive in the first place. Without earthquakes, volcanoes and floods, we wouldn't be here to begin with. The reason they died, humanity's fault. Poor housing really did them in. Sacrifices of virgins on altars are unneeded, and Diddy winning a Grammy could very well be the work of Satan.
  • Bob
    Even if there is a god, he can't possible be all powerful. Omnipotence is an impossibility. Let's say god makes a rock that is too heavy for god to move. Either A, he can't move it (not all powerful) or B, he can move it, which means he couldn't create a rock too heavy for him to move in the first place(also not all powerful).
  • Eric Bodenstab
    I must admit that my view is biased, since I'm a preacher. But that being said, the god being presented here - the god of the prosperity gospel - is a contradiction. As part of a denomination that has active ministries in Haiti, some of those people who died are people I know and related to people I know. But I also believe in a fallen and broken world. Satan is just as active in the world as the God revealed in Jesus of Nazareth.

    Satan and God at war. Satan was active in the natural disaster which lead to the death of so many people. But God is at work now. While the US government has pledged a trifling amount in percent of our budget to aid the rescue and reconstruction caused by the disaster, the denomination of which I am a part and many others are sacrificing time, people, and treasures in response to what has happened. We're not doing this to proselytize a people who have experienced tremendous grief and challenges. Instead, we're responding because its the right thing to do - giving of ourselves to help those in need.

    While I will agree that the prosperity gospel has far to great a hold in the US and is far too prominent, I would rather that we pull together regardless of creed and help those in need. So "in the morning," despite the fact that I have "No Agenda," I'll give at least my normal weekly tithe for my denominations work in helping the people of Haiti recover from this tragedy.

    If some Christian believes that God punishes those who deserve it and helps those who are worthy, then they've forgotten the very witness of Jesus and his first followers who all gave their life proclaiming a life of sacrifice to those in need wherever they may be. So please continue to bash those who follow the prosperity gospel - I'll even join in. But for us Christians who are moved to help following disasters, who give what we can, who do the work, who don't get the press, please hear that there's another type of gospel - one that in the face of tragedy moved people to generously give without thought of repayment.
  • RideMan
    Ever read a short story by Arthur C. Clarke called, "The Star"? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star_(short_story) ) Consider for a moment that while God is considered omnipotent, for whatever reason, God operates within the confines of certain physical Laws, those self-enforcing Laws we call "physics". It doesn't matter why God works in this way, but if we begin with the premise that God *does* work within the confines of physics, we can only understand the actions of God if we consider that an omnipotent God neither operates on our scale, nor shares our values. That then leaves open the possibility that the destructive force we see is, seen from another angle, a *creative* act.

    It's not a particularly satisfying answer. But it's at least an interesting starting point.
  • Michael
    What? You guy have never read the Solomon's Ecclesiastes?

    A few QUICK thoughts:

    The premise that God directs every event ignores both Scripture and reality. The Bible never claims this premise - even though some "christians" do.

    Jesus' response about the people whom the tower fell on tells us he God does not think at all like Pat Robertson does. Duh.

    The idea that God leaves the system basically alone is sound, but that does not preclude all forms of involvement.

    The idea that these arguments somehow show us there is no God, or even prove that God must be inactive - or worse - active and mean... These are all fallacious.

    Fact - God and creation are separate from each other. (i.e., God can make a rock in space with water and sandy beaches can result through natural processes.)

    Figure the rest out on your own... and be skeptical in your thinking for God's sake.
  • dg
    Here's the basic fallacy:

    God gave man free will.

    God has ultimate control over our lives.

    You can't have both at the same time.
  • YoureJustMakingThingsUP
    Holy crap
  • dan
    If a god exists, and it is capable of creating an entire universe, then yes, it sends all the tornadoes, hurricanes, AIDS, cancer, auto accidents, still-births, starvation, crime, torture, war, famine, cruelty, depression, and earthquake. It does these things on purpose, because otherwise, it is capable of making mistakes, which would make it NOT a god. Every child with Down syndrome has it because of an all-seeing, all powerful creator that knows every possible future, every possible outcome. It knows the DNA of every organism on every planet in every galaxy. It holds and releases each tectonic plate with a specific purpose and plan. It knows the shape, color and size of every grain of sand on every beach, every stone in every gravel parking lot, every pixel on every screen. It sees all thoughts and all intentions. It gives people Parkinson's disease, puts victims of violent crime in the wrong places at wrong times, and allows bankers and terrorists to destroy nations. If a god exists, it is responsible for everything. Which means that if a god exists, it is one twisted f**k.

    If a god exists. It makes more sense to me that one does not exist.
  • Emily
    I disagree, too. It think it's obvious there's no god at all. Some people are privileged, and some are not. I think if there were a god, he or SHE would stop his or HER people from suffering and teach them to live in peaceful ways. I don't think a god would make a slew of fantastic creatures and then only have specific rules for one race of them.
    Furthermore, I question why a god would make all of this in the first place. There is no way this could be helpful to a god, except to inflate his or HER ego.
  • Cat
    I disagree. (and this is where personal faith really comes into play. Not wanting to start a big discussion about faith and religion, but hopefully explain how I believe God works. Someone who does not believe in an eternal soul will obviously not have the same belief I do.)

    I DO believe God is ultimately in control. I do not believe He causes people to suffer. I do not believe He sets out to destroy people. I DO however believe that He offers protection to those who trust in Him, believe in Him, live a God-centered life, etc. I believe He can withdraw that protection as He sees fit.

    You stated God is our Father. Sometimes, as parents, we have to withdraw our protection from our children to let them fail, to let them hurt, which, in turn helps them grow. I fully believe in evil forces in this world - personally I believe it is Satan, someone else may believe differently. I believe evil forces are waging war with God, and have been since time began. I believe God allows bad things to happen to expose evil in the world. I also believe God allows failure, hurt, death, and destruction to help us learn to better trust in Him. I also believe that much of that same failure, hurt, death, etc... is brought upon us by our own doing, and God allows - doesn't cause - us to go through bad, horrible, terrifying times.

    Ultimately, we all must remember that God is love! In Romans, Paul writes, "in all things God works for the good of those who love Him, who have been called according to His purpose." I think we get hung up on trying to personify Him, attempting to understand Him in a humanistic interpretation. God's power and love transcends anything that we creatures of the earth could ever possibly hope to understand. His scope is so much larger than our own. Our definition of good is only relative to our earthly definition of the word. God is eternal - and so is His concept of what is good for us. We cannot fathom eternal good; we can only understand good as our earthly minds can see it.

    I believe He most certainly does intervene, and I have experienced His tinkering throughout my own life. I fully believe God has had a hand in what I've done, who I've met, where I've been, and He has allowed me to make some pretty dumb decisions, but He has also guided me along the way, and blessed me at times when it only could have been His doing.
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